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Mike Vick (Pittsburgh Steelers)

jwinslow;620968; said:
That troy smith surely isn't a winner either, right 31?

I've never understood the obsession with championships. A QB needs a lot of help & luck to win a title. Favre gets lots of credit from his superbowl ring, but he hasn't made another superbowl without that incredible roster around him.


Wow. Troy Smith hasn't even completed a full season as the unquestioned starter. He isn't even out of college yet. We have the luxury of looking back at both Eric Crouch and Michael Vick's college careers as a whole, and where they stand now 5 years later. We know that neither had won a NCAA championship, and Crouch is now all but a nobody in the football world. Trying to compare the two situations, while putting words in my mouth, is just idiotic.


crazybuckfan40;621020; said:
Me too...He does have pretty good touch on his deep ball at times...

Vick does have a cannon, i'll give him that. And I can relate with having a QB who tries to take his receivers heads off, because I am a Philadelphia fan. McNabb, while having a ton of talent, had been known to throw the ball ridiculously hard at his receivers. He's gotten alot better about that lately, and I think thats one of the things that Vick could work on to make himself a better passer.
 
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ScarletBlood31;621039; said:
Wow. Troy Smith hasn't even completed a full season as the unquestioned starter. He isn't even out of college yet. We have the luxury of looking back at both Eric Crouch and Michael Vick's college careers as a whole, and where they stand now 5 years later. We know that neither had won a NCAA championship, and Crouch is now all but a nobody in the football world. Trying to compare the two situations, while putting words in my mouth, is just idiotic.
Fine... then if Troy fails to win a NC this season, then is he not a winner? I love troy, but I don't think the NFL will let him play QB... so this might be his last year.

I think people get pigeon holed way too often based on NC/SB rings. Way too many external factors to use it as a useful judge of a QB. I don't know if there were any other teams that BRoth could have led to the superbowl last year.

I think Vick is a dynamic player who is the the ultimate playmaker. Sometimes he carries his team, other times he makes too many mistakes. So many want him to be something he's not.

I don't think they would have made a superbowl with Schaub, who also benefits from catching defenses by surprise (no film or practice to prepare for his offense). I think he would be more consistent (in a good and bad way), but would not be able to run the table to the SB.
 
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OregonBuckeye;621242; said:
If he doesn't play QB then I don't think he plays anything.
I thought the same thing about M Robinson, and he has impressed the SF coaches (he's now the goalline back instead of Gore). I think Smith has equal strength and better agility than MRob, so in the right situation he might excel.
 
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jwinslow;621272; said:
I thought the same thing about M Robinson, and he has impressed the SF coaches (he's now the goalline back instead of Gore). I think Smith has equal strength and better agility than MRob, so in the right situation he might excel.

I agree with the agility, but not sure about the strength...not sure Smith could lay the haymaker hit down that Robinson did last week.
 
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Bucklion;621339; said:
I agree with the agility, but not sure about the strength...not sure Smith could lay the haymaker hit down that Robinson did last week.


Agreed, Robinson is a pretty tough guy. My football coach coached him in high school, and claims that he is a 1st round draft pick as a safety.
 
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Mr. Clutch;622933; said:
Young better be extremely tough, mentally. This season could be devastating to his confidence, if he isn't.
I was very sad when McNair was run out of town... he would have provided a great mentor and learning situation.
 
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