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The Man
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In order to find the open receiver there has to BE an open receiver. The WR's in the past stopped on alot on routes expecting Vick to run. Now with Jenkins and Roddy White having a chance to play more and Alge playing well I think once everything meshes it will start to show with more victories and better numbers in the future.
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jimotis4heisman
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who votes on the pro bowl? dumbshits who sit in the stands i believe.The Man said:
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crazybuckfan40
Head Coach
What about the mighty mighty Mark Brunell, we heard earlier in this thread that he was better than Vick. Then you have Bledsoe who is putting up good number, Jake Dellehomme, and Brad Johnson who some of you guys said you would take b4 Vick. Seems kind of weird that he makes the pro bowl over those guys since they are so much better.
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Good point, I would actually love to hear a coach or player say why they voted for Vick over so many other guys having better years. I guess its the same way Chuck Woodson made a bunch of pro bowls when it was clear he wasn't one of the best corners in the league.
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crazybuckfan40
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That was a sarcastic post.
Oh and by the way take a look at this article from the Pro bowl last year. Vick would of been MVP if they could of pulled the game out.
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Game Stats · Team Stats · Full Play-by-Play · Drive Charts · Recap · Gamebook · Photos <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD background=http://images.nfl.com/images/separator3-bar.gif height=11> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><LINK href="http://images.nfl.com/scores/scores_nfl.css" type=TEXT/CSS rel=stylesheet><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD>Manning sparks AFC to 38-27 victory
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<!-- T8193019 for NFL_20050213_NFC@AFC --><!-- Sesame Modified: 02/14/2005 11:18:01 --><!-- sversion: 6 $Updated: alanh$ -->HONOLULU (Feb. 13, 2005) -- Peyton Manning finished his prolific season at the Pro Bowl with more of the same: another bunch of touchdown passes, another record and another award.
Manning threw three touchdown passes to extend his career record for the NFL's all-star game, while Michael Vick led the NFC to 17 points in a second-half comeback that fell short in the AFC's 38-27 victory.
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Manning, whose Colts were eliminated by New England in the second round of the playoffs, didn't have the award clinched until the AFC defense finally slowed down Vick, who nearly rallied his club in his first appearance at the Pro Bowl. If Manning is at the peak of his game, Vick clearly is on an incredible climb.
"I'm not going to say I wasn't holding my breath over there once Vick started to roll around, but our defense did a great job of stopping him," Manning said. "It was good we got the game this year after we let the lead slip away last year."
The sting of another playoff loss has faded a bit for Manning, but it's never far from his mind as motivation. He was at ease in the face of the NFC's best pass rushers, and his precision staked the AFC to a lead it never lost.
"You could win a lot of playoff games with all the weapons we had out here," Manning said. "It's almost too tough to pick where to throw sometimes."
Pittsburgh's Hines Ward caught a touchdown pass and returned an onside kick for a score, and three Chargers stars led the clinching TD drive in the fourth quarter of the AFC's seventh victory in nine meetings.
"It's a great consolation prize for not being able to play in the Super Bowl," Ward said of the victory and the $35,000 winners' share for the AFC.
This game didn't quite have the offensive fireworks of the 107-point marathon of last year, won in a thrilling NFC comeback, but Manning and Vick thrilled the 26th consecutive sellout crowd at Aloha Stadium with exhibitions of their strengths: Manning's expert throws and Vick's jaw-dropping elusiveness and creativity.
Manning has thrown 11 TD passes in the Pro Bowl, four more than any quarterback in NFL history. He hit Colts teammate Marvin Harrison, Ward and San Diego's Antonio Gates in the first 25 minutes while the AFC built a 28-10 halftime lead.
But Vick was determined to make a splash in his first trip to Hawaii -- and with the Atlanta coaching staff calling the plays, he led three consecutive scoring drives after entering the game in the third quarter. Vick was 14-for-24 for 205 yards and a score, nimbly avoiding several sacks along the way.
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Fittingly for his versatile game, Vick became the first quarterback to throw a touchdown pass and rush for a score in the same Pro Bowl.
"We hung in there, but they poured it out on us," Vick said. "I thought we were going to be able to come back on them, but we needed one more touchdown there in the fourth, and we couldn't get it."
The AFC's defense seemed more aggressive in the first half, and a few NFC players and coaches grumbled that their opponents seemed to be running blitzes -- a no-no in the Pro Bowl.
"I don't know if they were (blitzing), or if they just played well," said Minnesota's Daunte Culpepper, who passed for 124 yards.
But as soon as Vick made his first Pro Bowl appearance in the second half, blitzes didn't matter much. He went 4-for-6 and hit Torry Holt for a 27-yard touchdown in the first series.
Vick led another scoring drive moments later, diving over the goal line for a 3-yard score -- even though his helmet was knocked off his head by Baltimore's Ed Reed, the NFL's defensive player of the year.
"I made myself nervous," said Vick, who was chosen for the 2003 game but dropped out with an injury. "My intention wasn't to run, but the opportunity was there."
The NFC got within 31-27 on David Akers' field goal midway through the fourth quarter, but the AFC's San Diego connection took over. Drew Brees hit Gates for a 33-yard gain on a flea-flicker play selected by fans in an online vote, and LaDainian Tomlinson finished the drive with a 4-yard TD run with 5:15 to play.
Harrison scored on a 62-yard pass from his Indianapolis teammate in the first quarter, tying Jimmy Smith's career record with his fifth Pro Bowl touchdown. Ward followed with a 41-yard TD catch.
When the NFC tried an onside kick in the second quarter, Ward leaped for the ball and outran several defenders, avoiding tackles and somersaulting through the end zone for a 39-yard score.
It was the first touchdown on a kickoff return in the 55-year history of the Pro Bowl.
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Give him some talent around him and watch what he can do. That was against the best players in the AFC keep in mind.
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Now we're going to use Pro Bowl stats?
I thought it was "he wins games"?
I'll just be my stupid little self and go by things like QB rating, completion % and TD/INT ratio (in real games, not exhibitions) when evaluating QB's thanks.
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crazybuckfan40
Head Coach
People were questioning him getting into the probowl.
And I don't understand why you are aloud to use multiple things in your argument but I am not.
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Captain Hindsight
The Hero of the Modern Age
The only reason Vick made the Pro Bowl was for ratings. Everyone knows that he is an exciting player to watch. That's the only reason he made the Pro Bowl. Do you honestly think that he's had a better season than Drew Bledsoe, Mark Brunell, (Eli Manning?), and Brad Johnson? I don't. Yeah, the only reason he's in is for the ratings.
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Multiple things? What are you talking about? I have said the same thing from day 1. Vick is a terrible passer and completely overrated. QB rating, completion % and TD/INT ratio are all components that show this without a shadow of a doubt.
Going back and forth between he wins games, his team is bad, you can't judge him like other QB's and now Pro Bowl stats is changing the entire basis of an argument and is rightfully ridiculed.
Using multiple small facts to make one clear and consistent point is what you do if you have a valid point in the first pace. Using the baffle 'em with bullshit politician method is what you do when the basic premise of your argument is flawed.
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The Man
The truth
Some of those guys had better years, but not Eli. I believe Eli has the worst QB rating in the league in the 4th quarter/OT. Without Tiki Barber that team is 5-9/6-8 right now. Vick is good for the ratings, people love to see if he makes an unbelievable play or rip on him if plays like crap. Although I know all of you guys will be cheering him on. 
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