The average NFL RB lasts 5 years. Vicks been in for 4.
Ask Bo Jackson, Earl Campbell or John Elway if the wheels last long.
Regardless, his passing isn't going to get better if he plays till he's 100.
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The average NFL RB lasts 5 years. Vicks been in for 4.
Ask Bo Jackson, Earl Campbell or John Elway if the wheels last long.
Regardless, his passing isn't going to get better if he plays till he's 100.
Actually what's funny is the people who are completely blinded by the Vick-lovefest seemingly don't even read the posts anymore.
The question asked wasn't "Who would you take ahead of Vick to build a team around?"...the question was "With the game on the line, who do you want leading your last drive?"
And yes, I would take McNair and Brunell over Vick in that situation every time...sorry. And the comparisons with Rypien and Humphries and the other journeymen are made by Vick-lovers who want to feel better about themselves...not me. If I want to sell tickets, Vick is probably the league's number one draw. If I want to win a game on the last drive, I'd take 20 other QBs before Vick. You can win a SUper Bowl without a great QB, but if the QB is the guy you've built your francise around, he'd better be able to deliver week in and week out...and Vick has shown no propensity to do that over a course of a season.
I have said many times I don't blame one player for the Falcons not winning more games...but then people use the "win games" argument to annoint Vick an elite QB, right up until they talk about the Falcons losing this year...and then suddenly none of it is his fault. He's never run when he should have thrown, never locked in on Crumpler for 3 quarters, never carried the ball like he was begging to fumble it, never thrown a bad pass...it's the line, it's the receivers (except Jenkins of course), it's Dunn, it's the dome...
I don't hate Vick, I hate people (mostly stupid media) with apparently no sense of history saying Vick is the greatest QB ever, that he revolutionized the QB position (sorry, if anyone did that, it was Cunningham), that he should make the Pro Bowl every year, no matter how bad he plays...and that if the team wins, he carried them, but if they lose, he's absolved of blame. That's why Vick is such a contentious issue. People love him, more power to you...but the arguments about how great of a QB he is are not grounded in much reality, in my opinion.
The question asked wasn't "Who would you take ahead of Vick to build a team around?"...the question was "With the game on the line, who do you want leading your last drive?"
And yes, I would take McNair and Brunell over Vick in that situation every time...sorry. And the comparisons with Rypien and Humphries and the other journeymen are made by Vick-lovers who want to feel better about themselves...not me. If I want to sell tickets, Vick is probably the league's number one draw. If I want to win a game on the last drive, I'd take 20 other QBs before Vick. You can win a SUper Bowl without a great QB, but if the QB is the guy you've built your francise around, he'd better be able to deliver week in and week out...and Vick has shown no propensity to do that over a course of a season.
I have said many times I don't blame one player for the Falcons not winning more games...but then people use the "win games" argument to annoint Vick an elite QB, right up until they talk about the Falcons losing this year...and then suddenly none of it is his fault. He's never run when he should have thrown, never locked in on Crumpler for 3 quarters, never carried the ball like he was begging to fumble it, never thrown a bad pass...it's the line, it's the receivers (except Jenkins of course), it's Dunn, it's the dome...
I don't hate Vick, I hate people (mostly stupid media) with apparently no sense of history saying Vick is the greatest QB ever, that he revolutionized the QB position (sorry, if anyone did that, it was Cunningham), that he should make the Pro Bowl every year, no matter how bad he plays...and that if the team wins, he carried them, but if they lose, he's absolved of blame. That's why Vick is such a contentious issue. People love him, more power to you...but the arguments about how great of a QB he is are not grounded in much reality, in my opinion.
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Guy Incognito
Banned
I still laugh thinking about the offseason SI cover I AM A QUARTERBACK
And then there was his sophomoric idiotic response to the media when he actually did well - I dont want any questions ever again about my accuracy...
And then there is the fact that the media and NFL have basically swept the Mexico story under the doormat.
Watching him fail this year has been a absolute joy to watch.
And then there was his sophomoric idiotic response to the media when he actually did well - I dont want any questions ever again about my accuracy...
And then there is the fact that the media and NFL have basically swept the Mexico story under the doormat.
Watching him fail this year has been a absolute joy to watch.
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ScarletBlood31
Buckeye in Blacksburg
What are you talking about? Mark Brunell, even though I really do not like the Redskins, has been having a fantastic season. He is in a totally different league than Vick this season, and to laugh at taking Brunell over him is just showing ignorance. Give respect where respect is due.
And trust me, Vick has said plenty about himself about how sweet he is and how good he is. And his whole little "i dont ever wanna hear criticism about me passing again, because I can do it. I'm winning games so I don't wanna hear anything about me again." crap after the Miami game. Thats one of the main reasons i cant stand Vick, is because he is so cocky. Ive been at a football camp where he made an appearance, and he was a dick to alot of the kids and walked around like he was God.
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good point. Brunell threw the ball like a drunken ape the last few years, but has been pretty good this year. How many of you commenting on Brunell actually watched him play more than one game?
Why is there no thread discussing why favre should have hung it up long ago? He's been stinking up the joint this year, and gets a lot of media love anyway. I realize he once was great, but the reality is that he gets the same unwarranted praise from announcers regardless of performance.
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lvbuckeye
Silver Surfer
1: feel free to start one.
2: i think that Favre has earned a free pass at this point... what? 3 MVPs? a SuperBowl Ring. 2nd or 3rd most yards ever. and he hasn't missed a start since Vick was 10 years old...
isn't that supposed to be his strong suit?CrazyBuckFan40 said:
Double-Ewe-Tee-Eff is "majoritarily"????jeffcat said:
my $.02: Vick is a phenomenal athlete. but he's a lousy QB. it all starts upstairs, and Vick doesn't have it between the ears...
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crazybuckfan40
Head Coach
Not when his ribs hurt, it is hurt for him to stretch it out on the run and then try to avoid the hit.
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The Man
The truth
Brunell has 20 TD's and 14 turnovers this year, Vick has 19 TD's and 16 turnovers. Is that a huge difference? Not to mention the Redskins have the exact same record as the Falcons. Although they are 8-5 when Vick plays, 0-1 without him. I have never seen as many people hate a QB that wins over 60% of his games.
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Maybe it has more to do with being 26th out of 30 in QB rating and having to listen to the media and Ron Mexico run their suck about what a great QB he is.
Ultimately it all gets back to the hype and attitude not being equal to the production.
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Buckeye513
Stable Genius
So now we're back to the "he wins games" excuse?
Well, here's a stat for you - 41%. That was Vick's completion percentage in arguably the most important game for Atlanta this season. Here's another one - 45.8%. That was Vick's completion percentage in last year's NFC Championship game.
Unlike Vick, Brunell and McNair don't have to rely on their legs, tight end, and runningbacks to cover up their fuck ups.
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The Man
The truth
The "he wins games" has always been my point. He can't win in this argument, if he has shit #'s and they win then "they won inspite of Vick". If Vick has good #'s and they win then it's "well can he do that for an entire year". If they lose no matter what the score is it's Vicks' fault. People have trouble accepting what is different. Vick is not anything like Brady or Peyton and he never will be. He is however 25 years old and has a cannon for an arm, is he at times inaccurate? Absolutely. Is it impossible to improve? Absolutely not. The best comparison (physically) was Steve Young, both great scramblers, left handed, etc. Steve Young has worked with Vick for two preseasons and said he thinks Vick has a chance to be the greatest QB of all time, those are his words not mine. I don't know about that, but to write him off after two years in Greg Knapp's system (which is another problem IMO) and 49 starts or equivilent to three seasons seems naive. If Vick is playing like this in 2-3 years and has shown no improvement then I'll be bashing him with the rest of you.
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7 45 33 48
All-American
If you want to use the he wins argument, you just can't say he is absolved from any criticism in the loses. He wins he gets all the credit, he loses it everybody elses fault. I think the concussions have confused Steve Young with relality. Vick has not played well this season. He has horrible accuracy and can't read defenses. I am sorry if you can't read defenses by your 5th season then you never will. Vick is playing in a west coast system with limited reads that is suppose to help his accuracy not hurt. Carson Palmer, Ben Roethlisberger, and Dree Brees all came in at the same time or after Vick and have bypassed him as a QB. Next season Byron Leftwich, Charlie Frye, and Eli Manning will pass him by while Falcon fans will be on here blaming Mora and Knapp and everybody else but Vick.
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