Mike Gundy (HC Oklahoma St. Cowboys)

[Mike80]

If she's going to write stuff like that, she'd better be ready to take the heat.....

You know, it would be one thing if the coach said those things were untrue and acted like this after a LOSS. That might be construed as a coach blowing off steam after a tough loss against a conference team.

But this was after a win, a win that might just get Oklahoma State rolling after a pretty tough game against Troy.

Maybe it's me, but that is telling....

 

[Thump]

She really makes female sports writers look really, really bad.

Was that ever really in question?

 

[Saw31]

More media types taking the side of the bitch reporter. Ironically, it's Jim Rome on his show saying it was a complete over-reaction by the coach. "He should've taken her aside and done it privately."...Jim, go fuck yourself, you little pussy. She took a shit in public, and that's exactly how she should get her nose rubbed in it. And BTW Jim, isn't this just your own fear of crying in the fetal position when your mouth writes a check your ass can't cash?

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOVxitMy47c[/YOUTUBE]

Yeah, fuck yourself you little pussy...

 

[OCBucksFan]

Actually Saw, this seems to be the general reaction from most of the media types I have heard, but what can you expect? I mean she's in the media, they work in the media, and of course they are going to take something like this and ram it down his throat. Not to mention that by having this outburst they have made this whore-reporter nationwide news.

 

[Saw31]

Actually Saw, this seems to be the general reaction from most of the media types I have heard, but what can you expect? I mean she's in the media, they work in the media, and of course they are going to take something like this and ram it down his throat. Not to mention that by having this outburst they have made this whore-reporter nationwide news.

Oh I know. But since this is as close as I have to a public forum, I'm gonna call every one of them out for being hypocritical douchebags when I see a specific example as I just did on Rome's show. It makes me feel better...:p

 

[muffler dragon]

I think its dispicable that journalists judge and attack amatuer athletes.

I can understand that. Judgment on performance is fine; however, attacking a person's character is off limits.

I don't give a shit if its an "opinion" piece - these players aren't getting paid to play,

This part I don't agree with. A full-ride scholarship IS, IMO, payment. For said payment, an amateur athlete is supposed to perform. Like I said, judge the performance not the performer.

 

[HailToMichigan]

I can understand that. Judgment on performance is fine; however, attacking a person's character is off limits.

Oh I disagree. I think we can all agree that even among 20-year-old college football players there are any number of people where - and this is the key here - their actions call for a serious questioning of their character. I'm thinking of the central characters in the Miami-FIU brawl, or Marcus Vick, or Mitch Cozad (the No. Colorado punter who went all Tonya Harding on his teammate.)

But to have a guy tell you he gets nervous before football games (and who doesn't?? I get nervous sometimes and I'm watching comfortably from my La-Z-Boy) and twist that around to him being too scared to play? To look at one episode of him laughing on the sidelines during a loss - as if every player should act as though at a funeral - and say he doesn't have the right attitude? Jenni Carlson isn't some dipshit fan mouthing off on a sports talk show, she's a dipshit reporter who doesn't understand the responsibilities of her profession. I don't even think this has anything to do with how old Bobby Reid is or what he gets paid or doesn't get paid. The way she treated him in her column is how no athlete should be treated, professional or not.

 

[Saw31]

Oh I disagree. I think we can all agree that even among 20-year-old college football players there are any number of people where - and this is the key here - their actions call for a serious questioning of their character. I'm thinking of the central characters in the Miami-FIU brawl, or Marcus Vick, or Mitch Cozad (the No. Colorado punter who went all Tonya Harding on his teammate.)

But to have a guy tell you he gets nervous before football games (and who doesn't?? I get nervous sometimes and I'm watching comfortably from my La-Z-Boy) and twist that around to him being too scared to play? To look at one episode of him laughing on the sidelines during a loss - as if every player should act as though at a funeral - and say he doesn't have the right attitude? Jenni Carlson isn't some dipshit fan mouthing off on a sports talk show, she's a dipshit reporter who doesn't understand the responsibilities of her profession. I don't even think this has anything to do with how old Bobby Reid is or what he gets paid or doesn't get paid. The way she treated him in her column is how no athlete should be treated, professional or not.

Bingo...

 

[muffler dragon]

Oh I disagree. I think we can all agree that even among 20-year-old college football players there are any number of people where - and this is the key here - their actions call for a serious questioning of their character. I'm thinking of the central characters in the Miami-FIU brawl, or Marcus Vick, or Mitch Cozad (the No. Colorado punter who went all Tonya Harding on his teammate.)

That's true. I guess I just chalked up the "on-the-field" incidents to a matter of performance as well.

But to have a guy tell you he gets nervous before football games (and who doesn't?? I get nervous sometimes and I'm watching comfortably from my La-Z-Boy) and twist that around to him being too scared to play? To look at one episode of him laughing on the sidelines during a loss - as if every player should act as though at a funeral - and say he doesn't have the right attitude? Jenni Carlson isn't some dipshit fan mouthing off on a sports talk show, she's a dipshit reporter who doesn't understand the responsibilities of her profession. I don't even think this has anything to do with how old Bobby Reid is or what he gets paid or doesn't get paid. The way she treated him in her column is how no athlete should be treated, professional or not.

I've never disagreed with this consideration.

 

[CleveBucks]

Michael Wilbon is the only media type that I've heard so far that sided against Carlson. Wilbon agreed that you have to drawn the line when reporting on high school and college kids. Everybody else is just lock-step with one another. Big surprise.

 

[HailToMichigan]

What I find most amusing is that as a starting quarterback, and having played games in places like Lincoln, Austin, and Lubbock, Bobby Reid probably heard more than his share of abuse from opposing fans on the road, 60 minutes a game, game after game. And yet he continued to go out there and play. Meanwhile Jenni Carlson gets three minutes of having to listen to Coach Gundy raise his voice at her and now she feels like a victim. Who exactly has the problem with a bad attitude and running scared?

 

[sandgk]

What I find most amusing is that as a starting quarterback, and having played games in places like Lincoln, Austin, and Lubbock, Bobby Reid probably heard more than his share of abuse from opposing fans on the road, 60 minutes a game, game after game. And yet he continued to go out there and play. Meanwhile Jenni Carlson gets three minutes of having to listen to Coach Gundy raise his voice at her and now she feels like a victim. Who exactly has the problem with a bad attitude and running scared?

Raises hand -

I think I have an answer to that ...

 

[Mike80]

Columnist: Gundy attacked credibility

STILLWATER, Okla. (AP) -- A newspaper columnist for The Oklahoman on Tuesday defended her reporting on a story that prompted a tirade by Oklahoma State football coach Mike Gundy.

Jenni Carlson, in a column on the front page, maintained the accuracy of an earlier column critical of the Cowboys' former starting quarterback.

"I will not stand on the sidelines and allow someone to attack my credibility," she said.

Carlson's column Saturday suggested Bobby Reid's demotion was a result of his attitude more than his ineffective play. It stated that Reid, who lost his starting job two games ago, had not always handled his nerves well and his slow starts put the Cowboys in some early holes, including some they dug out of with Reid "wielding the biggest shovel."

It also called Reid the "most talented quarterback" on the team and indicated Reid was "nicked in some games and sat it out instead of gutting it out." Following Oklahoma State's 49-45 win over Texas Tech, Gundy used his postgame news conference to berate Carlson and left the room without taking questions.

On Saturday, Gundy called three-fourths of the column "fiction." During Gundy's news conference Monday, Carlson asked the coach to point out what he thought were factual errors.

"I don't have to," Gundy said.

Carlson asked again, and Gundy said, "I don't have to. I'd rather just let it go."

Carlson said in her Tuesday column that she would like to do the same, had Gundy not questioned her credibility.

"I feel as adamant about the facts in that column as Gundy did in his belief that his player shouldn't have been so scrutinized," she said.

The Oklahoma City newspaper has stood behind the content of the piece and the columnist who wrote it.

SI.com - NCAA Football - Columnist says?Gundy?attacked her credibility - Tuesday September 25, 2007 4:31PM

 

[Bleed S & G]

Raises hand -

I think I have an answer to that ...

Linky no worky

 

[sandgk]

The thing that Jenni is not admitting to - and it is the the central fact that makes Mike right about the lack of fact checking she performed - is this:

The bulk of the material she uses to extrapolate from the "I'm Nervous" quote to Bobby Reid is a scared and witless spoon-fed child, it comes from Internet Forum boards.

Basically Jenni forgot the number one rule of the blog and forum world of college football fandom - believe little that you read as an inside info claim on the internet.

This is also why those media peers that defend Jenni Carlson are wrong.