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Buckeye513
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The allegations are there, and those are just the ones OTL found out about. That you see no problem with them doesn't mean that there's no evidence.
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Hstead
Legend
So all you have is a lazy journalist from Lima that just recites the ESPN piece and has offered zero of his own expertise? He didn’t verify any sources on his own, he just basically plaguerized ESPN while citing them?
How many lazy journalists does it take to make an accusation fact?
Did you even watch the video linked on the last page?
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As the Lookout on the Titanic said: "Yeah, I see a little something there, but I'm gonna withhold judgment until I have more information."
(No, I haven't actually convicted Izzo or Dantonio yet.)
(No, I haven't actually convicted Izzo or Dantonio yet.)
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Buckeye513
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Of course, assuming, as you say, that it's not any different from what "happens everywhere."
You've already read them, which is how you came to the conclusion that they don't matter. Other people believe that evidence combined with Michigan State's confirmed administrative fuckups means the entire athletic department should be investigated.
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sparcboxbuck
What happened to my ¤cash?
I’m lost which side is which and who’s arguing for what anymore... but I think the bold above is key.
Like @LostLassie, I’ve not convicted either Dino or Izzo either. I don’t feel like I’m in a position to do so yet. But I clearly believe that the bold, and especially the underline, certainly is all that is required for dumping every drawer in all MSU athletic offices to see what else went on. Call it guilt by association? I dunno... but what I do know is that there was an apparent turning of a blind eye to a lot of shit that justifies digging in and finding out what else is there.
If you’re a coach and don’t want to go through shit like this, make sure you work for an AD / Administration that you trust to do the right thing... lest you put yourself in a place to be exposed to this kind of scrutiny. Even then, if you do work for a good AD who is beyond reproach, you still might be subject to this. I don’t know what Dino and Izzo are guilty of, but I do know they worked for a POS scum bag and for no other reason they have to deal with the aftermath... regardless of their culpability.
I personally do not appreciate the way a lot of the journalists are handling this. That is, it feels more like tabloid journalism than investigative journalism. While they may ultimately net out in the same place, I think we can agree that they have very different tactics and intentions.
To that end, I do appreciate the investigative journalism and its place to expose things like the Nassar and Sandusky cases... and certainly after clearly identifying that there was fire among the smoke, I’d be lying if I said that I didn’t appreciate some of the tabloid journalism that took place in those cases... provided not at the expense of those harmed.
At the end of the day, if it is the case that Dino and Izzo fucked up, it will come out.
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BigWoof31
"Barkin' up the wrong tree"
Outsider (non-B1G thoughts):
1). Although they are on a similar scale from a "scandal size" point of view (and this one might end of bigger than PSU's), I don't feel nearly as good about MSU getting caught up in all of this shit as I did when PSU got Sanduskey-ed. Good is probably the incorrect word - maybe satisfied. PSU just felt like you were taking down a smug cousin in an argument. Those that professed themselves to be squeaky clean and against all things immoral were shaken down. This feels different, I'm happy for the victims but don't feel anything for MSU. Maybe that will change.
2). I eat, sleep and breathe sports from a conference whose teams tap-dance on in the grayest areas imaginable so I am no stranger to things against NCAA rules. However if you would have told me five years ago that two B1G institutions would essentially have scandals rock the university and essentially cause significant terminations of senior members of the BOT and leaders in the athletic department I would have been floored.
3). If this damages MSU's recruiting and football program, the B1G East is starting to look like the SEC East these days. Welcome to the mudpile :)
1). Although they are on a similar scale from a "scandal size" point of view (and this one might end of bigger than PSU's), I don't feel nearly as good about MSU getting caught up in all of this shit as I did when PSU got Sanduskey-ed. Good is probably the incorrect word - maybe satisfied. PSU just felt like you were taking down a smug cousin in an argument. Those that professed themselves to be squeaky clean and against all things immoral were shaken down. This feels different, I'm happy for the victims but don't feel anything for MSU. Maybe that will change.
2). I eat, sleep and breathe sports from a conference whose teams tap-dance on in the grayest areas imaginable so I am no stranger to things against NCAA rules. However if you would have told me five years ago that two B1G institutions would essentially have scandals rock the university and essentially cause significant terminations of senior members of the BOT and leaders in the athletic department I would have been floored.
3). If this damages MSU's recruiting and football program, the B1G East is starting to look like the SEC East these days. Welcome to the mudpile :)
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CYA from a small number of admins/staffers at risk of termination while most of the fanbase is horrified
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well I don't have to list what PSU does
Not, not good.
There's a strong argument to be made that they were a better program when they were stocked almost entirely by blue chippers with chips on their shoulder. Their recruiting was far better in the last 3 or so years, and their onfield product dropped off significantly (and that wasn't Harbaugh, who is too cool to recruit the midwest)
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