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BB73 said:
Unfortunately, not having enough evidence to prove a crime is far from the only reason that cases don't result in convictions. There can be coverups, payoffs, witness intimidation, political reasons, and other instances of poor judgment, selfishness, and human failure that hinder getting an appropriate result within the legal system.
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Jameis Winston.
 
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Hstead said:
The Lima paper just repeated the exact same story from ESPN where the prosecutor said the defense presented witnesses that contridicted the accusers details.

Basically a he said she said that the prosecutor decided in pleading out.

How is that Izzos fault? He should have fired him for being charged but not convicted?

He was fired for the alleged gang rape though no charges appear to have been filed.
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At the end of the day, this speaks more to the character of Izzo and Dantonio and if that kind of character fits your organization's values. End of story. It doesn't really matter what we think. Also, Kevin Spacey hasn't been charged with anything, but I don't want him babysitting my children. How about you?
 
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Hstead said:
Exactly what I have been saying, wait and see. For some reason that is not a solid position for some on this thread.

So far I haven’t seen much.

As for Spacey, I saw plenty including his admission. So not a good analogy.
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Well hang on now. Waiting and seeing does not equal questioning why a person didn't go to the police. Now you're moving into doubting the accuser territory.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Well hang on now. Waiting and seeing does not equal questioning why a person didn't go to the police. Now you're moving into doubting the accuser territory.
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It’s called due process. I will form my opinion as evidence emerges. So far we have he said she said stuff. The prosecutor didn’t agree with some of it, or he lacked evidence.

Who am I to judge that the prosecutor was wrong?

I will wait and see, some here have made up their minds. I asked based on what, and so far all that has been put forth is the same regurgitated he said she said that wasn’t prosecuted.
 
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Hstead said:
It’s called due process. I will form my opinion as evidence emerges. So far we have he said she said stuff. The prosecutor didn’t agree with some of it, or he lacked evidence.

Who am I to judge that the prosecutor was wrong?

I will wait and see, some here have made up their minds. I asked based on what, and so far all that has been put forth is the same regurgitated he said she said that wasn’t prosecuted.
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Right but don't you see how you're choosing a side, too? Waiting and seeing is ideal as long as the person can't do any more harm.....and that is the case here. But waiting and seeing requires you to wait, not question the accuser. You're not waiting and seeing at that point.
 
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Hstead said:
It’s called due process. I will form my opinion as evidence emerges. So far we have he said she said stuff. The prosecutor didn’t agree with some of it, or he lacked evidence.

Who am I to judge that the prosecutor was wrong?

I will wait and see, some here have made up their minds. I asked based on what, and so far all that has been put forth is the same regurgitated he said she said that wasn’t prosecuted.
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Fax and evidents? Sounds familiar.
 
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I am waiting and seeing, however if there is no more to be seen, I haven’t seen enough to assassinate a mans character over it. Maybe there is more to be seen.

What have you seen so far? What if there is no more to be seen than what ESPN has presented?
BuckeyeNation27 said:
Right but don't you see how you're choosing a side, too? Waiting and seeing is ideal as long as the person can't do any more harm.....and that is the case here. But waiting and seeing requires you to wait, not question the accuser. You're not waiting and seeing at that point.
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