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Miami (FL) Hurricanes (1926-2003)

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ORD_Buckeye;1619872; said:
Only watched bits and pieces of it. What I saw was a piece of apologist fluff. Turned it off when these borderline illiterates were given free shots, with no rebuttal, to trash the President who at the time apparently tried to reign in the madness.

Anyone know if they talked about the Pell Grant scandal, where the university fraudulently got full scholarship athletes Pell Grant money so they'd have spending money to roll out on the town?

Miami Hurricanes, Switzer's Oklahoma teams and Tarkanian UNLV teams are the absolute lowest scum of collegiate athletics.
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The Pell Grant scandal was a significant portion of the second half. Over 50 athletes taking illegal monies totaling over $240,000. Loss of 30 scholarships and no bowl game for a year. They kind of made Butch Davis look incompetent and the poor soul who had to lead Miami out of the Pell Grant scandal. My memory is he recruited Miami extremely well, had an average first year, and was pretty dominate until giving the keys to Larry Coker.

Thought it was interesting Randy Shannon (allegedly) was responsible for handing out the bounty monies given by Luther Campbell. If thats true, I'm even more surprised he got the Miami gig.
 
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billmac91;1619889; said:
The Pell Grant scandal was a significant portion of the second half. Over 50 athletes taking illegal monies totaling over $240,000. Loss of 30 scholarships and no bowl game for a year. They kind of made Butch Davis look incompetent and the poor soul who had to lead Miami out of the Pell Grant scandal. My memory is he recruited Miami extremely well, had an average first year, and was pretty dominate until giving the keys to Larry Coker.

Thought it was interesting Randy Shannon (allegedly) was responsible for handing out the bounty monies given by Luther Campbell. If thats true, I'm even more surprised he got the Miami gig.
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The Pell Grant scandal was, imo, the worst thing that ever happened in college athletics and should have resulted in the death penalty.

To scam money that's earmarked for the poorest college students--and those who might never attend without it--and funnel it to athletes on full scholarships so they could have money to go to clubs. Absolutely sickening, and anyone associated with it should NEVER be allowed anywhere near a college athletic department.
 
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I finally got around to watching the whole thing last night. Honestly, it was extremely weak as any legitimate journalism. It started off interesting in examining how Schnellenberger put the program together and the link to Miami's depressed inner city neighborhoods but quickly devolved into nothing more than a glossy unapologetic puff piece for The U.

Hell, the director seemed to spend more time celebrating Hill's antics in the Cotton Bowl (when he pulled out his air pistols and proceeded to "shoot" the Texas players) than the steroid scandal, Bounty payment scandal and Pell Grant scandal combined--none of which I might add had any comment by former Miami players or coaches.
 
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I thought it was interesting. They changed a lot of rules and had that swagger to them that no other team in college football has had. I didn't realize how good Miami was back then until I watched this. What is crazy is that they could have won 6 or 7 national championships from the mid 80s to the mid 90s if wasn't for a bad game or two. It wouldn't surprise me if Miami starts to compete for more national championships in the next 2-3 years.
 
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Miami is certainly an important program in that time period from the standpoint of understanding the history of the sport. It's just kinda disappointing to see how the filmmaker did not challenge the assertions that Miami was the only program recruiting black players, or excusing inappropriate behavior, brawling and off-the-field criminal activity as a "part of the culture" that stuffy white people should have to accept in the name of being inclusive.

I mean, other teams out there were featuring players like Cornelius Greene, Turner Gill, Tommie Frazier & Charlie Ward before or during the time Miami was bringing guys like Bernie Kosar, Jim Kelly, Vinny Testaverde up out of the ghetto.

I thought it was quite irresponsible from a standpoint of documenting the history, but that's ESPN for you.
 
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zwem;1620265; said:
I thought it was interesting. They changed a lot of rules and had that swagger to them that no other team in college football has had. I didn't realize how good Miami was back then until I watched this. What is crazy is that they could have won 6 or 7 national championships from the mid 80s to the mid 90s if wasn't for a bad game or two. It wouldn't surprise me if Miami starts to compete for more national championships in the next 2-3 years.
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You mean if it weren't for having to play bowl games outside their home stadium once in a while?
 
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Without having seen the feature, I have a couple of thoughts on U of Miami Football as a whole.

1. It's my understanding that prior to the 80's the program was total garbage. 3-5 wins a season, drawing no crowds, high turnover of staff...etc
What Schnellenberger started is to be commended and had he stayed I doubt that the program would have fallen off in discipline.

2. That being said, it's pretty clear that Jimmy Johnson and Dennis Erickson didn't give a shit about anything but winning. Team discipline was minimal (outside of executing the plays) and I'd be willing to bet that attendence at classes was lackluster.

3. College football needs programs like "Da U." If only because every good story needs a bad guy. And wins are that much more satisfing when you beat the "shit talkers" USC of present day kinda/sorta fits the mold - but nothing will ever be like Miami in the 80's.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1619872; said:
Anyone know if they talked about the Pell Grant scandal, where the university fraudulently got full scholarship athletes Pell Grant money so they'd have spending money to roll out on the town? yes.

Miami Hurricanes, Switzer's Oklahoma teams and Tarkanian UNLV teams are the absolute lowest scum of collegiate athletics.
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you forgot the Fab Five. :wink:

the fact that they named Randy Shannon as the guy who handed out Luke's big play money astonished me. how brazen can you be?
 
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BigWoof31;1620315; said:
3. College football needs programs like "Da U." If only because every good story needs a bad guy. And wins are that much more satisfing when you beat the "[censored] talkers" USC of present day kinda/sorta fits the mold - but nothing will ever be like Miami in the 80's.
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I could not disagree more. NCAA sports are not the WWE where you need good guys and bad guys. You are talking about a program that was not only not following NCAA regulations, but was also operating outside legal boundaries with the Pell Grant situation. There is no place in college athletics for that.
 
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buckeyeintn;1620349; said:
I could not disagree more. NCAA sports are not the WWE where you need good guys and bad guys. You are talking about a program that was not only not following NCAA regulations, but was also operating outside legal boundaries with the Pell Grant situation. There is no place in college athletics for that.
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Nothing good has ever come of that gang of thugs, killers and thieves.

I would still like someone to explain how it deserved any different treatment than SMU received.
 
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Jaxbuck;1620374; said:
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Nothing good has ever come of that gang of thugs, killers and thieves.

I would still like someone to explain how it deserved any different treatment than SMU received.
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It deserved worse...the NCAA should have closed that operation down completely when the Pell Grant scandal broke, not just given it a year or two off, and after that they should have had to drop to a lower division (like I-AA) and work their way back up. But, of course, by then Miami was one of the NCAA's biggest cash cows, as every bandwagon fan and self-labeled BAMF had a Miami shirt or hat somewhere along the line. By then the money exceeded anything SMU ever generated, so they were stuck. They couldn't shut them down because in a financial sense, Miami was bigger than the NCAA could lose in their opinion. I imagine there was probably some NFL pressure to keep them going as well.
 
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