Game Thread Miami (FL) at tOSU, Sat Sep 11, 3:40 ET, ESPN

[DontHateOState]

with the questions Miami has on their offensive line (not good at all with a QB who is very mistake prone under pressure)

I dont see any reason to believe they will be any better than last season

They may very well regress, and their offensive line challenges certainly bode well for us. But the bulk of their talent is in the now Sophomore and Junior classes. There is a maturity change that is taking place, similar to what is taking place here. These are at least reasons to see a possible improvement in their future.

 

[Jaxbuck]

And Nebraska finished tied for 5th place of the Big 12 in 2008. Teams change, and the Hurricanes were a team comprised of talented freshman and sophomores last year. They are a good bet to improve over the next two seasons.

Caricaturing them as average may appeal to the fandom part of the brain, but it isn't accurately measuring the amount of talent that will be on the field in September.

So your completely subjective assessment of their projected talent level is accurate but their complete seasons body of work means nothing. Got it.

What part of the brain does selectively choosing the data points that fit your bias appeal to?

 

[Gatorubet]

blah blah blah blabbedy blah

versus

I rest my case.

 

[buckeyemania11]

They may very well regress, and their offensive line challenges certainly bode well for us. But the bulk of their talent is in the now Sophomore and Junior classes. There is a maturity change that is taking place, similar to what is taking place here. These are at least reasons to see a possible improvement in their future.

in the future maybe

but in the 2nd game of the season, on the road, with a questionable offensive line going head to head with one of the top dlines/front 7 in america.....I like our chance a lot

Harris is a turnover machine (led ACC in INTs last year) he is inconsistent, makes bad decisions, tries to force throws a lot... there will be pressure on him in this game, for Miami to have a chance to win their oline is going to have to put it together fast and protect Harris well all game and Harris is going to have to be near perfect throwing the ball

 

[DontHateOState]

in the future maybe

but in the 2nd game of the season, on the road, with a questionable offensive line going head to head with one of the top dlines/front 7 in america.....I like our chance a lot

Harris is a turnover machine (led ACC in INTs last year) he is inconsistent, makes bad decisions, tries to force throws a lot... there will be pressure on him in this game, for Miami to have a chance to win their oline is going to have to put it together fast and protect Harris well all game and Harris is going to have to be near perfect throwing the ball

Absolutely. It is very advantageous that we get them early in the season. Harris should be pressured heavily from the first snap on.

 

[DontHateOState]

So your completely subjective assessment of their projected talent level is accurate but their complete seasons body of work means nothing. Got it.

What part of the brain does selectively choosing the data points that fit your bias appeal to?

My subjective analysis?

They pulled in the 15th ranked class by Rivals in 2009 and the 5th ranked class by Rivals in 2008.

Their scholarship distribution is tilted towards those two years, with 47 of the 85 scholarship athletes belonging to those two classes.

There is no selective choosing of data taking place on my part, just a tired recitation of last year's record on yours, without regard to future forecasting.

Miami was an average ACC team last season- I am not hiding that fact, or opposing it. But they were young and talented, so it is not inconceivable that they will be better this season, as teams do tend to change from year to year.

But hey, maybe Ohio State shouldn't play this season since the ceiling is clearly 11-2, as evidenced by last season's body of work. Why even play the game?

 

[Jaxbuck]

Miami was an average ACC team last season- I am not hiding that fact, or opposing it.

Except when you say my classifying them as such was on the same level of hyperbole as the Miami troll.

 

[Gatorubet]

My subjective analysis?

They pulled in the 15th ranked class by Rivals in 2009 and the 5th ranked class by Rivals in 2008.

Their scholarship distribution is tilted towards those two years, with 47 of the 85 scholarship athletes belonging to those two classes.

Of note, while they pulled in some athletes, they did not fill needs. I remember one recent class with eleventy-one linebackers. And while they were all good linebackers, they needed help in other areas more.

They are not as well rounded a team, IMO, as tOSU or a Bama/Florida. They have not returned depth wise.

 

[Poe McKnoe]

I will believe when someone subjectively shows me that Randy Shannon is an actual head coach.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

I remember one recent class with eleventy-one linebackers.

That '08 class seemed like nothing but WR's and LB's. Not very impressed with their depth at DB or OL.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

They pulled in the 15th ranked class by Rivals in 2009 and the 5th ranked class by Rivals in 2008.

Yeah, and in our 2004 season we had the Scout #3 class from two years prior (thus they were becoming juniors) and the Scout #25 class from the previous (thus becoming sophomores, and the only reason the class was rated as low as #25 was because we only had 15 commits), yet the 2004 team had a shitty 8-4 season (save the big Michigan win and the trouncing of Ok St in the Alamo Bowl, both of course at the very end of the season). The 2004 team was a disaster the first half of the year. So, thinking that Da U will be any good early in the season simply based on two previous recruiting classes is not the best way to anticipate their level of success.

 

[muffler dragon]

Caricaturing them as average may appeal to the fandom part of the brain, but it isn't accurately measuring the amount of talent that will be on the field in September.

I'll stick with the one point that I've mentioned elsewhere time and again:

Randy.
Shannon.

The guy is a "shit for brains" coach. No worries here at all.

 

[Yertle]

I don't disagree with the statement, but there was a lot more that went wrong in the 1st U game than just offensive line play...

Absolutely agree. I just have become accustomed to being underwhelmed in the Bucks' performance in Septembers under JT. The unit that sticks out more than any is the O-line, but the entire team doesn't show up in full force until October usually. Expecting this year to be any different is nearly the definition of insanity... doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Buckeyes struggle in September. This game is in September. Therefore, I'm not going to get too cocky.

Screw Michigan.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Buckeyes struggle in September.

See 2006.

 

[Yertle]

See 2006.

As my original post stated, the only exception was 2006. But thanks for restating for me.