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Game Thread Miami (FL) at tOSU, Sat Sep 11, 3:40 ET, ESPN

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jwinslow Clemson was a home game which sadly is even worse.

2009 Strength of Schedule

Hurricanes- 8th; 0-1 vs top 10; 2-3 vs top 30
Buckeyes- 50th; 2-0 vs top 10; 4-1 vs top 30

2009 Unit Rankings

Buckeye Offense
Passing- 61st @ 7.1 yds/att; 2,257 yds; 55.1 completion %
Rushing- 17th @ 4.5 yds/att; 2,540
Scoring- 60th @ 29.0 points/game

Hurricane Defense
Passing- 46th @ 7.1 yds/att; 2,695 yds; 54.7 completion %
Rushing- 30nd @ 3.5 yds/att; 1,590 yards
Scoring- 38th @ 22.2 points/game

Hurricane Offense
Passing- 30th @ 8.2 yds/att; 3,405 yds; 59.1 completion %
Rushing- 69th @ 3.9 yds/att; 1,794 yards
Scoring- 37th @ 30.3 points/game

Buckeye Defense
Passing- 5th @ 5.3 yds/att; 2,230 yds; completion 54.2%
Rushing- 7th @ 2.9 yds/att; 1,180 yds
Scoring- 5th @ 12.5 points/game

I have looked over all of the numbers and on paper tOSU is the better team. I haven't tried to minimize this. I just honestly believe that the Canes are going to have a breakout year. I think our only question mark is the offensive line, and I think they will prove to be adequate(BLIND FAITH :)).

Again I didn't watch many tOSU games last year(Navy, USC, Oregon, and bits and pieces of others). I think we have a good chance of pulling the upset. The USC game only reinforces that OPINION. If Matt Barkley as a true freshman can do it, then why not Jacory Harris as a junior. My OPINION is the Canes will pull out a W.
 
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87cane;1723569; said:
jwinslow Clemson was a home game which sadly is even worse.
I have looked over all of the numbers and on paper tOSU is the better team. I haven't tried to minimize this. I just honestly believe that the Canes are going to have a breakout year. I think our only question mark is the offensive line, and I think they will prove to be adequate(BLIND FAITH :)).

Again I didn't watch many tOSU games last year(Navy, USC, Oregon, and bits and pieces of others). I think we have a good chance of pulling the upset. The USC game only reinforces that OPINION. If Matt Barkley as a true freshman can do it, then why not Jacory Harris as a junior. My OPINION is the Canes will pull out a W.
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My mistake on clemson.

Don't you think the line needs to be better than adequate to handle osu?

Lets quantify your expectations behind your prediction

1. Number of turnovers by pryor
2. Same q for jacory
3. Rushing ypc for pryor
4. Rushing ypc for osu rbs
5. Rushing ypc for daU rbs

I'll answer these later tonight

Matt barkley had a very poor game against osu. One good drive after a long series of struggles and it shows anyone can beat them?

Matt barkley got the ball on the 2 or 3 yd line to lead an early scoring drive, which required 4 downs to not cross the goal line.... but be rewarded with 6 points anyway.
 
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It's nice to have a visiting fan to get some discussion going (finally). Most of the reasoning is solid, but for the one place where you freely admit that you're not using reason.

Going by what seems the most likely outcome using reason, rather than blind faith; it looks to me like the biggest difference between the two teams will be the match-up of the OSU DL vs. the Miami OL. I expect this will be the 'Canes undoing.
 
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87cane;1723569; said:
The USC game only reinforces that OPINION. If Matt Barkley as a true freshman can do it, then why not Jacory Harris as a junior. My OPINION is the Canes will pull out a W.
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There might be some validity in this if OSU was anywhere near the same team at the beginning of this year as they were at the beginning of last year. The offense is much more experienced going into this year being the biggest difference, defense will be about the same level as what USC faced. USC still only scored 18 points and like mentioned earlier seven of those points came on a two yard drive where replay showed they still didn't even get in on 4th down. You will need more than 18 points to win this game.
 
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87cane;1723569; said:
If Matt Barkley as a true freshman can do it, then why not Jacory Harris as a junior. My OPINION is the Canes will pull out a W.
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Aside from the gift TD we gave them on their first possession of the game, USC "earned" a grand total of 11 points in the remaining 56 minutes, and most of the yardage on USC's late game-winning drive came via Joe McKnight's legs, not Barkley's arm.
 
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87cane;1723569; said:
jwinslow Clemson was a home game which sadly is even worse.

2009 Strength of Schedule

Hurricanes- 8th; 0-1 vs top 10; 2-3 vs top 30
Buckeyes- 50th; 2-0 vs top 10; 4-1 vs top 30

2009 Unit Rankings

Buckeye Offense
Passing- 61st @ 7.1 yds/att; 2,257 yds; 55.1 completion %
Rushing- 17th @ 4.5 yds/att; 2,540
Scoring- 60th @ 29.0 points/game

Hurricane Defense
Passing- 46th @ 7.1 yds/att; 2,695 yds; 54.7 completion %
Rushing- 30nd @ 3.5 yds/att; 1,590 yards
Scoring- 38th @ 22.2 points/game

Hurricane Offense
Passing- 30th @ 8.2 yds/att; 3,405 yds; 59.1 completion %
Rushing- 69th @ 3.9 yds/att; 1,794 yards
Scoring- 37th @ 30.3 points/game

Buckeye Defense
Passing- 5th @ 5.3 yds/att; 2,230 yds; completion 54.2%
Rushing- 7th @ 2.9 yds/att; 1,180 yds
Scoring- 5th @ 12.5 points/game

I have looked over all of the numbers and on paper tOSU is the better team. I haven't tried to minimize this. I just honestly believe that the Canes are going to have a breakout year. I think our only question mark is the offensive line, and I think they will prove to be adequate(BLIND FAITH :)).

Again I didn't watch many tOSU games last year(Navy, USC, Oregon, and bits and pieces of others). I think we have a good chance of pulling the upset. The USC game only reinforces that OPINION. If Matt Barkley as a true freshman can do it, then why not Jacory Harris as a junior. My OPINION is the Canes will pull out a W.
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If the O-line is your big question mark, they better come to play, as the Buckeye defensive front seven will be ridiculous this year. If officials can see fit to see holding when 106,000 other people in the building see it plain as day, then your line is in for a long day. But, Ohio State has historically been on shit end of a billion bad calls and non-calls over the last few years in the trenches. We've seen our guys being disrobed, assaulted and raped by opposing offenses and seems to rarely get called. I figured these would look familiar to you.

All in all, I think both teams will play hard, and a QB with wheels like Harris has the ability to give the Buckeye defense fits. But, like you said, on paper, Ohio State appears to be the better team. We'll know more after week one.
 
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Harris folds like a tent when he gets pressure on him

just watch the Wisconsin game

when they were throwing constant heat at him he was struggling pretty badly

only when they stopped bringing pressure did he start to look ok

Harris is going to have to be very consistent all game for Miami to have a chance to win, and Miami's oline is going to have to play a hell of a game to keep the pressure off Harris for this to maybe happen
 
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jwinslow;1723574; said:
Lets quantify your expectations behind your prediction

1. Number of turnovers by pryor
2. Same q for jacory
3. Rushing ypc for pryor
4. Rushing ypc for osu rbs
5. Rushing ypc for daU rbs
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1. one fumble, two int.
2. two int.
3. 2.5; more importantly Pryor will be sacked 5 times
4. 3.9
5. 4.3

Jacory will be hit while trying to throw which will result in an interception, and he will probably force one as well. Pryor will force a few passes, which will result in two interceptions. Pryor will put one on the ground while being hit in the pocket. This will be the result of him trying to make something happen. Jacory is more apt to just go down.

Pryor will be sacked five times which will bring down his yards per carry. He will have one carry for at least 15-20 yards though. Jacory will be sacked three times.

I see Miami forcing Pryor to beat them with his arm, and therefore they will load the box. I see Ray Ray going down to play in the box quite often. On the other hand, I think Jacory will keep the tOSU defense honest. Thus the Miami RB's having slightly more yards per carry. tOSU backs will have more carry's though, resulting in more total yards.

jwinslow I am sure you will see things going down much differently.
 
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87cane;1724057; said:
Pryor will be sacked five times which will bring down his yards per carry. He will have one carry for at least 15-20 yards though. Jacory will be sacked three times.
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So you see an elusive athlete being sacked 5 times behind a veteran OL facing an average to slightly above average DL...and a pocket passer behind an inexperienced OL facing possibly the best DL in the nation being sacked 3 times?

Pass the Kool-Aid.
 
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osugrad21;1724060; said:
So you see an elusive athlete being sacked 5 times behind a veteran OL facing an average DL...and a pocket passer behind an inexperienced OL facing possibly the best DL in the nation being sacked 3 times?

Pass the Kool-Aid.
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meh, I am sure the 'Shoe will give Harris and Miami's offensive line plenty of peace and quiet to communicate and make adjustments, they will be fine, unless they lose that swagger, then all bets are off
 
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Jacory looked worse as the season went on because his protection got worse and because of his hand injury. I think his hand injury was worse then the coaching staff let on.

Early in the season Patrick Hill, our FB, was a key component in pass protection. Hill went down in the VT game. Matt Phipo, our RT, was horrible and having a bowling ball like Hill to chip a DE or pickup a LB was huge.

I can't see Phipo's replacement being any worse and Hill's return will help immensely. Hopefully Franklin will be able to pickup at LT were Jason Fox left off. Fox is leaving large shoes to fill, and I am betting that Franklin can.

Jacory will also be a junior this year, and I am betting that he has learned from his mistakes of last year. Another off season in the film room can't hurt. Not to mention that this will be year two under Whipple.

I predict another 3,500 yard season with 30 touchdowns and 8 ints.
 
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