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Matt Barnes (DC Memphis Tigers)

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dragurd said:
If he keeps it. Dude deserves all the credit in the world. Wonder what they'd do with coombs in that situation.. Offer him a bump down DBs coach? Make him a Co-DC when everyone knows he's just coaching DBs... Tell him to hit the road?
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Me personally, I’d let him go. I think the entire coaching staff needs a bit of a retooling. 5 offensive coaches (6 if you count Ryan Day, and you absolutely should) to 4 defensive coaches without a guy that that’s been a DC for any extended period of time isn’t the best structure, IMO.
 
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buchtelgrad04 said:
Me personally, I’d let him go. I think the entire coaching staff needs a bit of a retooling. 5 offensive coaches (6 if you count Ryan Day, and you absolutely should) to 4 defensive coaches without a guy that that’s been a DC for any extended period of time isn’t the best structure, IMO.
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Disagree! Coombs is a very good DB coach, and can be argued he can be the reason that Burke is having the year hes having. Coombs is known for being a great recruiter and a great developer of talent. He's done a damn good job at both. What he has failed at, is being someone who can call a defense. And that's on Day for thinking he can do that when he's never done that before. But keeping Coombs, and guys like AJ Harris are probably Buckeyes, and Hancock and Johnson provide a great CB core. Make him a co-DC with Barnes. And have Coombs focus on DBs. And Barnes run the defensive scheme, IMO. Coombs is not a bad defensive position coach.
 
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dragurd said:
If he keeps it. Dude deserves all the credit in the world. Wonder what they'd do with coombs in that situation.. Offer him a bump down DBs coach? Make him a Co-DC when everyone knows he's just coaching DBs... Tell him to hit the road?
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If we finish this year like we are capable... you'd have to make it a Co-DC situation with Barnes calling the defense and then getting a pay increase. IMO Kerry is worth his money recruiting and developing corners so there's no need to take pay away.

Too bad we have Fleming full time though because IMO we could use another defensive assistant. Then Kerry could go back to running the special teams too.
 
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pnuts34 said:
Disagree! Coombs is a very good DB coach, and can be argued he can be the reason that Burke is having the year hes having. Coombs is known for being a great recruiter and a great developer of talent. He's done a damn good job at both. What he has failed at, is being someone who can call a defense. And that's on Day for thinking he can do that when he's never done that before. But keeping Coombs, and guys like AJ Harris are probably Buckeyes, and Hancock and Johnson provide a great CB core. Make him a co-DC with Barnes. And have Coombs focus on DBs. And Barnes run the defensive scheme, IMO. Coombs is not a bad defensive position coach.
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Pretty much but it's hard to demote him to position coach. You'd probably at best go co-dc while everyone really understands he's a position coach. And that's if he wants to stay.

Other potential is make another run at Raymond if Ogeron is fired this year
 
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dragurd said:
Pretty much but it's hard to demote him to position coach. You'd probably at best go co-dc while everyone really understands he's a position coach. And that's if he wants to stay.

Other potential is make another run at Raymond if Ogeron is fired this year
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You wouldn't be demoting him if you make him a co-DC, and like he's said many times, he's a Buckeye. I think he would do what's best for the team.

I think you make a run at Raymonr anytime LSU shows cracks. And I wouldn't mind OSU going after coach Travaris Robinson(TRob) from Miami. Another program falling on hard times, with an assistant who is actually doing well(especially in recruiting, he's he's reason Miami was even in the race for Jaheim Singletary, and SoFL recruits love him).
 
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pnuts34 said:
Disagree! Coombs is a very good DB coach, and can be argued he can be the reason that Burke is having the year hes having. Coombs is known for being a great recruiter and a great developer of talent. He's done a damn good job at both. What he has failed at, is being someone who can call a defense. And that's on Day for thinking he can do that when he's never done that before. But keeping Coombs, and guys like AJ Harris are probably Buckeyes, and Hancock and Johnson provide a great CB core. Make him a co-DC with Barnes. And have Coombs focus on DBs. And Barnes run the defensive scheme, IMO. Coombs is not a bad defensive position coach.
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How can you give Coombs credit for Burke’s success when he isn’t even the DB coach? That seems a little generous just because you like the guy. I think he’s a good DB coach too, but he isn’t the only one out there that can make that claim. Nor is he the only one who can recruit well.

Giving him the Co-DC title would be stupid, when we’ve seen he’s not a good DC. If for some reason, Barnes missed a game or decided to take another job during bowl season…who the hell would want Kerry to step into that coordinating role?
 
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buchtelgrad04 said:
How can you give Coombs credit for Burke’s success when he isn’t even the DB coach? That seems a little generous just because you like the guy. I think he’s a good DB coach too, but he isn’t the only one out there that can make that claim. Nor is he the only one who can recruit well.

Giving him the Co-DC title would be stupid, when we’ve seen he’s not a good DC. If for some reason, Barnes missed a game or decided to take another job during bowl season…who the hell would want Kerry to step into that coordinating role?
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Good point about the CO DC position...I have my skepticism that Kerry would even accept a Lower job title in order to stay on.

It would depend on who we got to be DB coach. We can afford to pay Kerry 1.4m to just coach the DBs and nothing more but I'm not sure we will want to do that.
 
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buchtelgrad04 said:
How can you give Coombs credit for Burke’s success when he isn’t even the DB coach? That seems a little generous just because you like the guy. I think he’s a good DB coach too, but he isn’t the only one out there that can make that claim. Nor is he the only one who can recruit well.

Giving him the Co-DC title would be stupid, when we’ve seen he’s not a good DC. If for some reason, Barnes missed a game or decided to take another job during bowl season…who the hell would want Kerry to step into that coordinating role?
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I’ve stated this before, but you give the “Co” tittle to be able to afford it. Position titles matter when it comes to compensation…..so if you’d like to keep Coombs on, at his salary, there will be a “Co” next to his DC title even if it’s in name only.

Keep in mind Hafley and Mattison shared a “Co” title as well even though Hafley was calling plays and Mattison focused on front 7. Hafley focused on the DB’s and matching his coverage preferences to the pressure Mattison wanted to bring (damn they were a great duo). As an OSU fan, I really wish we could’ve seen a few more years of it even though I’m really happy for Jeff.
 
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buchtelgrad04 said:
How can you give Coombs credit for Burke’s success when he isn’t even the DB coach? That seems a little generous just because you like the guy. I think he’s a good DB coach too, but he isn’t the only one out there that can make that claim. Nor is he the only one who can recruit well.

Giving him the Co-DC title would be stupid, when we’ve seen he’s not a good DC. If for some reason, Barnes missed a game or decided to take another job during bowl season…who the hell would want Kerry to step into that coordinating role?
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You do realize that Coombs was given all the credit for the DBs in the entire off season, check his thread. There was next to no mention of Barnes until the defense looked like trash during the season. It’s funny how now Barnes is getting so much credit(and he deserves it) for the change in the defense, but memory’s now change and Coombs is now the bad guy.
He is not the only coach who can recruit well, but ask former DBs, current and DB recruits looking at OSUwho they’re coming to OSU to play for. And it’s Coombs,there’s a reason why his video in front of parents is so beloved.
Like @billmac91 said,Hafley called the defense in a Co role with Mattison, what would be the difference? If Barnes takes another job, you hire someone else, that’s how it goes. It’s not that hard. Barnes has shown he can call a defense, but can he recruit at the same level as Coombs, who’s thread is titled: only recruits 1st rounders for a reason. If you want to make Barnes a sole DC, then he better be able to bring in top talent at DB, because I haven’t seen many recruits bring up Barnes’ name. And it’s been widely known for example that AJ Harris in ‘23 has the best relationship with Coombs.
 
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One thing to consider in regards to Coombs. The man may have been humbled but his ego is still as immense as his enthusiasm. He won’t accept a ‘demotion’ to co-DC. He’d just retire before that happened.
 
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billmac91 said:
I’ve stated this before, but you give the “Co” tittle to be able to afford it. Position titles matter when it comes to compensation…..so if you’d like to keep Coombs on, at his salary, there will be a “Co” next to his DC title even if it’s in name only.

Keep in mind Hafley and Mattison shared a “Co” title as well even though Hafley was calling plays and Mattison focused on front 7. Hafley focused on the DB’s and matching his coverage preferences to the pressure Mattison wanted to bring (damn they were a great duo). As an OSU fan, I really wish we could’ve seen a few more years of it even though I’m really happy for Jeff.
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Agreed! Everyone wins under this scenario.
 
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pnuts34 said:
You do realize that Coombs was given all the credit for the DBs in the entire off season, check his thread. There was next to no mention of Barnes until the defense looked like trash during the season. It’s funny how now Barnes is getting so much credit(and he deserves it) for the change in the defense, but memory’s now change and Coombs is now the bad guy.
He is not the only coach who can recruit well, but ask former DBs, current and DB recruits looking at OSUwho they’re coming to OSU to play for. And it’s Coombs,there’s a reason why his video in front of parents is so beloved.
Like @billmac91 said,Hafley called the defense in a Co role with Mattison, what would be the difference? If Barnes takes another job, you hire someone else, that’s how it goes. It’s not that hard. Barnes has shown he can call a defense, but can he recruit at the same level as Coombs, who’s thread is titled: only recruits 1st rounders for a reason. If you want to make Barnes a sole DC, then he better be able to bring in top talent at DB, because I haven’t seen many recruits bring up Barnes’ name. And it’s been widely known for example that AJ Harris in ‘23 has the best relationship with Coombs.
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He was given that credit by fans who are familiar with him and not as familiar with Matt Barnes. Barnes leads the DB drills. Barnes is the main speaker in DB meetings. Maybe it has changed since he’s been calling the defense, but throughout the offseason…Barnes was the guy in charge of DBs. So again, how would Kerry get credit other than recruiting him? I don’t have an issue with Co-DC’s, so I’m not exactly sure what Hafley and Mattison have to do with it unless you’re trying to point out that someone other than Kerry can get great DB play. Then I’d understand. I have a problem with making Kerry the Co-DC. He’s shown that he’s not OSU DC material. Also, why have two guys that specialize in secondary coaching as Co-DC? Why not a front 7 guy and a secondary guy? Like Hafley and Mattison.

You’re speaking of Kerry from a place of emotion. Not logic. Nobody cares about the impassioned speech if he can’t do his job. There was an article from Letterman Row just a couple of days ago that spoke to Barnes’ recruiting chops. And you don’t keep a coach just to reel in one specific player.
 
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