Mark McGwire (official thread)

[tibor75]

Wasn't Tibor the same guy that mentioned throwing the book at guys who have Dui's?

Sounds like he's talking out of both sides of his mouth to me.

I'll have to try and find that one.

I don't understand. Driving drunk and smoking weed in your apartment are completely different things.

20 year old who drinks = not POS

20 year old who drives drunk = POS

Weekend warrior using steriods = not POS

Professional athlete using roids = POS

I guess you have to spell things out to people who have the intellect of a 2 year old.

 

[OSUBasketballJunkie]

Congress has better things to do than make a bogus ruling on this bullshit! Do something productive instead!

Actually, these hearings do have an upside, which is raising the awareness of this national problem, its not just baseball, its in our high schools and in college. The congress has countless panels, so its not like they are taking away time from social security or anything. This is a real problem for the youth of this nation, it goes beyond just baseball.

While I think that McGwire should suffer some consequences because of his actions, including possibly not being inducted into the HOF, I wouldn't consider him a POS. Folks that use illegal substances which keep drug dealers in business are the true POS.

Mililani....I agree 100%....all baseball players who took steriods should suffer some form of consequences, but its not for me to decide that issue.

I don't think people who use steroids are criminals...just stupid.

Mililani....I disagree with you on this one, I know its not always cut and dry but it is against the law to obtain and use steriods without a perscription. Do I think its up there with all the hardcore drugs? Not at this point, but it is a real problem and needs to be addressed.

The POS deserves all the misery he has coming to him.

Tibor...who are you to judge a person? I am sure you don't even know the man, but you feel its right to call him a POS, thats pathetic.

In my opinion, he made a mistake and now must face the music so to speak.

 

[tibor75]

Tibor...who are you to judge a person? I am sure you don't even know the man, but you feel its right to call him a POS, thats pathetic.

In my opinion, he made a mistake and now must face the music so to speak.

Do you remember how many endorsements and public adolation this scumbag got when he broke the record? I'm just hoping he gets the same back in reverse. He deserves all of it.

Not so happy now, MF?

 

[vrbryant]

Wow, I really thought I was going to be one of the only ones sticking up for this guy. Seeing as that's not the case, I'll just say that if you want to conclude that his 'legacy' is totally devalued, fine. The relentless tongue-lashing, though, is something I don't understand. He's fucking retired. Congress had already formed their opinions before he even fucking got there, so now that he's been forced into talking, there's no reason to berate the man any longer. Quite frankly, watching the first round (the speech by Bunning and the unabashed verbal ass-licking that followed), the hearings--from congress' perspective--seem like little more than a gaggle of whiney old white men who are upset that the game has changed. Yes, they've held 29 other hearings for other drugs (and marijuana), but something tells me they didn't execute them with the same level of personal indignance. They all act like they've been personally affronted by this whole situation. Open letter to those guys:

Go fuck yourselves. You have no idea what the athletes of today have to endure. You think it's unnatural that guys are hitting 480' bombs to right center? Wake the fuck up. Yes, some of them (I don't think the 1% figure is wholly unbelievable - that'd be, what, nine or ten guys?) may be juicing. Even if it's five percent, you don't just chalk up the trends of modern baseball to steroids alone. Did Hank Aaron or Mickey fucking Mantle have a team of personal trainers, or advanced supplements and vitamins, or dieticians? It's my belief that for every one guy on roids, there are about a hundred guys gutting it out, drinking their protein shakes and hitting the gym nine hours a day. Just like always, people (congress and the media, basically) have gotten themselves all worked up over this and have turned it into something it's not. It's not a fucking public health crisis. Smoking - that's a fucking public health crisis, but I don't see fucking congress crying about it.

grrraRAarRUAARUAUGHGGAHGHGGHfuck it.

 

[tibor75]

Wow, I really thought I was going to be one of the only ones sticking up for this guy. Seeing as that's not the case, I'll just say that if you want to conclude that his 'legacy' is totally devalued, fine. The relentless tongue-lashing, though, is something I don't understand. He's fucking retired. Congress had already formed their opinions before he even fucking got there, so now that he's been forced into talking, there's no reason to berate the man any longer. Quite frankly, watching the first round (the speech by Bunning and the unabashed verbal ass-licking that followed), the hearings--from congress' perspective--seem like little more than a gaggle of whiney old white men who are upset that the game has changed. Yes, they've held 29 other hearings for other drugs (and marijuana), but something tells me they didn't execute them with the same level of personal indignance. They all act like they've been personally affronted by this whole situation. Open letter to those guys:

Go fuck yourselves. You have no idea what the athletes of today have to endure. You think it's unnatural that guys are hitting 480' bombs to right center? Wake the fuck up. Yes, some of them (I don't think the 1% figure is wholly unbelievable - that'd be, what, nine or ten guys?) may be juicing. Even if it's five percent, you don't just chalk up the trends of modern baseball to steroids alone. Did Hank Aaron or Mickey fucking Mantle have a team of personal trainers, or advanced supplements and vitamins, or dieticians? It's my belief that for every one guy on roids, there are about a hundred guys gutting it out, drinking their protein shakes and hitting the gym nine hours a day. Just like always, people (congress and the media, basically) have gotten themselves all worked up over this and have turned it into something it's not. It's not a fucking public health crisis. Smoking - that's a fucking public health crisis, but I don't see fucking congress crying about it.

grrraRAarRUAARUAUGHGGAHGHGGHfuck it.

uh, moron, do you even realize that Bunning is a former major league athlete?

 

[Folanator]

The whole point of this, in my opinion, is to level the playing field. Not only does this disgrace baseball (or any sport for that matter), but it allows roided players to ascend past players who work harder and are better than they were in the first place. People are calling Barry Bonds the greatest player of all time. He probably is; oh wait, I forgot, he's a cheater. I don't see how people can be defending these dickheads when they break all these legit records set by the real greats of the game, and then sit there with a straight face knowing they're cheaters. People like McGwire and Bonds should have their records stripped and should face harsh consequences, particularly Bonds now that McGwire's retired. It won't happen, but it should.

 

[OSUsushichic]

You have no idea what the athletes of today have to endure.

Vrbryant, I completely understand where you're coming from, but it's this line I have a slight problem with. Yes, the competition, pressure to win, etc. is excrutiating, but these guys are getting paid millions. I find it hard to feel sorry for them. I do worry about the extent to which college and high school athletes take steriods. I have a feeling it's more prevalent than we think. :(

 

[OilerBuck]

uh, moron, do you even realize that Bunning is a former major league athlete?

Bunning was reduced to a whining baby as he reminisced on the old days and suggested that any stat that has come remotely close to the "old" records is due to smaller ballparks, juiced balls and performance enhancing drugs. He basically sounded like a bitter old man that wants people to still think the players of his age were gods.

I admit, I lost respect for McGuire with his "I don't want to live in the past" broken record...but I thought congress came off as a joke in all this. One guy even played the fan role with McGuire while talking about his rookie card. I can't believe these people got voted in to office.

 

[AJHawkfan]

My new priority list for congress, since they seem to think their biggest problem is fixing baseball:

1. end the war in Iraq
2. end the war in Afghanistan
3. balanace the budget and cut into the debt.
4. fix social security
5. fix the health care situation
6. fix the rising oil crisis
7. fix the american steel industry

99. stick your nose into the steroid problem in professional baseball

 

[OilerBuck]

My new priority list for congress, since they seem to think their biggest problem is fixing baseball:

1. end the war in Iraq
2. end the war in Afghanistan
3. balanace the budget and cut into the debt.
4. fix social security
5. fix the health care situation
6. fix the rising oil crisis
7. fix the american steel industry

99. stick your nose into the steroid problem in professional baseball

AMEN! Throw in "give M*ch*gan to Canada" and you've got my vote.

 

[tibor75]

Bunning was reduced to a whining baby as he reminisced on the old days and suggested that any stat that has come remotely close to the "old" records is due to smaller ballparks, juiced balls and performance enhancing drugs. He basically sounded like a bitter old man that wants people to still think the players of his age were gods.

I admit, I lost respect for McGuire with his "I don't want to live in the past" broken record...but I thought congress came off as a joke in all this. One guy even played the fan role with McGuire while talking about his rookie card. I can't believe these people got voted in to office.

Do you remember how Bunning looked during his reelection campaign. Apparently he thought his opponent looked like one of the Hussein sons.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/26/politics/main651425.shtml

of course, he was reelected. Never underestimate the American public.

 

[vrbryant]

Way to switch gears there, Gearswitchey McSwitch.

No, I didn't realize he was a Hall of Fame pitcher, not even after the aforementioned ass-licking session where everyone was gushing about his career.

And sushi, I'm not saying I feel sorry for them, just that silly old geezers like Bunning really have no understanding of what it takes to compete these days, that's all.

 

[tibor75]

Way to switch gears there, Gearswitchey McSwitch.
And sushi, I'm not saying I feel sorry for them, just that silly old geezers like Bunning really have no understanding of what it takes to compete these days, that's all.

Yes. I am sure Hank Aaron and Jackie Robinson would be very sympathetic to all the "hardships" endured by todays athletes.

You wonder how many times your boyfriend Ron Artest would have flown off the handle if he was treated like Jackie was.

boo fucking hoo.

 

[Thump]

Yes. I am sure Hank Aaron and Jackie Robinson would be very sympathetic to all the "hardships" endured by todays athletes.

You wonder how many times your boyfriend Ron Artest would have flown off the handle if he was treated like Jackie was.

boo fucking hoo.

Tibs,

You sure have a way with words.

I'm sure your patients love your bedside manner.

 

[tibor75]

Tibs,

You sure have a way with words.

I'm sure your patients love your bedside manner.

well, I'm sure my patients have better things to do than feel sorry for poor Mark McGwire and the troubles he's had in life.