Mark McGwire (official thread)

[Gatorubet]

"I'll teach you to shoot up between your toes to avoid
getting caught...and THEN I'll show you about how to lie
to a Congressional Sub-Committee!!

"Gee whiz!! Thanks dad.....if you actually are my dad...
you're the GREATEST!!!!"

 

[WoodyWorshiper]

I've always been pretty good at being the Dildo, so I guess I'll be again.

Please. lay off Mark and any/all of the steroid users. Seriously, what sports fan should be offended by this? We're forced to pay huge sums of $$ to park at a game, buy tickets, and eat concessions. It's a joke. SO, for all of that $$, what I want is a good show. Doesn't matter if it's pitchers throwing 98 MPH changeups or batters hitting 550 foot HR's with a broken bat. Sports is about entertainment. Period. My rule of thumb is that "cheating only increases your chances of winning."

And, hopefully Big Mac will someday make it to the Hall Of Fame and retire to a nice, quiet beachfront neighborhood in Arizona. I've got a nice piece of property there I'd love to sell him.

Peace

 

[Dryden]

I've always been pretty good at being the Dildo, so I guess I'll be again.

Please. lay off Mark and any/all of the steroid users. Seriously, what sports fan should be offended by this? We're forced to pay huge sums of $$ to park at a game, buy tickets, and eat concessions. It's a joke. SO, for all of that $$, what I want is a good show. Doesn't matter if it's pitchers throwing 98 MPH changeups or batters hitting 550 foot HR's with a broken bat. Sports is about entertainment. Period. My rule of thumb is that "cheating only increases your chances of winning."

And, hopefully Big Mac will someday make it to the Hall Of Fame and retire to a nice, quiet beachfront neighborhood in Arizona. I've got a nice piece of property there I'd love to sell him.

Peace

All I want to know is who was first. Sure, baseball players have been cheating for 150 years, but I want to know who was the first to introduce roids to the clubhouse. It wasn't Canseco, who has somehow become the de facto scapegoat. Who was doing it before Canseco? Because those assholes don't deserve a free pass.

Oh, and Canseco is still batting 1.000 on his book of dirty secrets.

 

[Meyer]

He sounds like a little bitch. It sounded like he was reciting it. And to try to say that you could have done it with out steroids is some serious bull [censored].

Annoying!!! I've heard his stupid interview like 60 times in the last day.

Although a lot more people do steroids than anyone really knows. People do growth hormones and all that in high school all the time and I'm sure in college but I don't play sports in college, so idk.

 

[CentralMOBuck]

The thing that irks me the most is him saying that he didn't take steroids to hit HR's. But he took them so he could stay healthy and keep playing.......... So he could hit more HR's. I also like how he said he was ready to confess in front of congress, but his lawyers couldn't make a deal to give him immunity. So he didn't confess/tell the truth, he took the easy way out("I'm not here to talk about the past"). Just like he didn't take steroids to hit HR's....

 

[Meyer]

Yea, exactly, he sounds like a little bitch.

 

[localyokel]

All I want to know is who was first.

"...Abbott: Well, let's see, we have on the bags, Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know is on third...

Costello: That's what I want to find out.

Abbott: I say Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know's on third.

Costello: Are you the manager?

Abbott: Yes.

Costello: You gonna be the coach, too?

Abbott: Yes.

Costello: And you don't know the fellows' names.

Abbott: Well, I should.

Costello: Well then who's on first?

Abbott: Yes.

Costello: I mean the fellow's name.

Abbott: Who.

Costello: The guy on first.

Abbott: Who.

Costello: The first baseman.

Abbott: Who.

Costello: The guy playing...

Abbott: Who is on first!

Costello: I'm asking you who's on first.

Abbott: That's the man's name.

Costello: That's whose name?

Abbott: Yes.

Costello: Well, go ahead and tell me.

Abbott: That's it.

Costello: That's who?

Abbott: Yes. PAUSE

Costello: Look, you got a first baseman?

Abbott: Certainly.

Costello: Who's playing first?

Abbott: That's right.

Costello: When you pay off the first baseman every month, who gets the money?"...

Why, the 'roids dealer, of course! Du-UH!

Abbott and Costello, Who's on first? text

 

[Steve19]

The thing that irks me the most is him saying that he didn't take steroids to hit HR's. But he took them so he could stay healthy and keep playing.......... So he could hit more HR's. I also like how he said he was ready to confess in front of congress, but his lawyers couldn't make a deal to give him immunity. So he didn't confess/tell the truth, he took the easy way out("I'm not here to talk about the past"). Just like he didn't take steroids to hit HR's....

Yep. And he really didn't have any interests in Susie's budding body in eighth grade, he really was interested in the things she said.

 

[3074326]

Why is ESPN treating this like it's breaking news? It's all they've talked about since it came out. Not like anyone other than Tony La Russa () actually thought he was clean. Nobody gives a shit. Talk about Brett Favre. Or the Red Sox or Yankees. Or the Cowboys.

 

[Jake]

I agree.

It's the middle of the NFL playoffs and the fucking sports world has to stop so we can dedicate two days talking about THE SAME STUPID FUCKING SHIT THEY TALKED ABOUT FOR YEARS just because McGwire finally admitted what 95% of us already knew.

 

[WoodyWorshiper]

All I want to know is who was first. Sure, baseball players have been cheating for 150 years, but I want to know who was the first to introduce roids to the clubhouse. It wasn't Canseco, who has somehow become the de facto scapegoat. Who was doing it before Canseco? Because those assholes don't deserve a free pass.

Oh, and Canseco is still batting 1.000 on his book of dirty secrets.

If I had to fire out a guess at this one, I'd probably go with Brian Downing, although I have no idea if he's ever been linked to roids. Downing back in the 70's was a very good but not outstanding player. Then, in 1982 he shows up looking like a competitive body builder and his power stats go through the roof. He was the first baseball player I remember who attributed "weight training" to success since up to that point weight training was pretty much frowned upon by the old schoolers who felt that it tightened you up too much and cost you flexibility and quickness.

Of course, I have nothing to back this up. But as a fan of the game for almost 40 years, Downing was the first I remember who's body changed so much, basically in an off season. And for those who remember him, the change WAS drastic.

Peace

 

[Chewbacca]

THE SAME STUPID FUCKING SHIT THEY TALKED ABOUT FOR YEARS just because McGwire finally admitted what 95% of us already knew.

In Taos' defense he also thinks his jokes are funny so you need to cut him some slack.

 

[Dryden]

Pedro Gomez interviews Canseco. Fucking brilliant!

Jose Canseco: Mark McGwire, Tony La Russa lying about PEDs - ESPN

"Mark, there's no crying in baseball."

 

[Taosman]

In Taos' defense he also thinks his jokes are funny so you need to cut him some slack.

They obviously went over your head. I'll dumb them down for you next time.

 

[Dryden]

If I had to fire out a guess at this one, I'd probably go with Brian Downing, although I have no idea if he's ever been linked to roids. Downing back in the 70's was a very good but not outstanding player. Then, in 1982 he shows up looking like a competitive body builder and his power stats go through the roof. He was the first baseball player I remember who attributed "weight training" to success since up to that point weight training was pretty much frowned upon by the old schoolers who felt that it tightened you up too much and cost you flexibility and quickness.

Of course, I have nothing to back this up. But as a fan of the game for almost 40 years, Downing was the first I remember who's body changed so much, basically in an off season. And for those who remember him, the change WAS drastic.

Peace

That brings up an interesting point, because in the case of Downing steroids weren't taboo back then. Hell, they weren't even illegal. High dose abuse started becoming common around '77 or '78. It was rampant in college football (Oklahoma and Nebraska being the two most famous examples of that era) and the NFL (the Steelers dynasty). It wasn't until another 10-years passed with Bosworth's suspension his Sr year ('86) and subsequent book ('88), along with the '88 Olympic games and Ben Johnson scandal, that it really broke wide open.

Downing and many of his peers in the late 70s and early 80s transformed their careers. Lance Parrish is usually held up as highly suspect too.

Canseco has maintained that there are already noted 'roid users in the HoF, and that the "real" problem with the HoF becoming tainted began in 2001. Kirby Puckett was elected to the Hall in '01, and Puckett's entire life story screams steroids ... brief, injury marred career highlighted by a three season surge in his power numbers, chronic health problems and anger management issues in his late 30s and 40s, capped by an early death.