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Take it to PM or shut the fuck up. Both of you.
The tribe has spoken.
Too bad they didn't trade Pronk... wait.. what?
Seriously... knock it off.
The tribe has spoken.
Too bad they didn't trade Pronk... wait.. what?
Seriously... knock it off.
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MaxBuck
SoCal, Baby!
The new Mrs. Tiki Barber.BuckeyeMike80;2193285; said:
Tiki Barber Marries Traci Lynn Johnson in NYC
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OH10
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BuckeyeMike80;2193285; said:
It's like I'm staring at the grass, telling you it's green. And you're arguing with me about it. Every sport has an historical perspective. The fact that sprinting is such an easy sport to objectively cross-compare makes the debate easy. I can just point to the times - which in this case are quite persuasive. There isn't anything else to the debate. Please enlighten me.
So either there is no greatest ever in any sport or Usain Bolt the greatest sprinter ever? All I ask you is: which is it?
What is the best way then? Margin of victory? Check. Percentage increase in world record over previous world record? Check.
Here's the disconnect. You think I'm saying that since Jesse Owens isn't the fastest man in history (which he clearly is not - why is this a debate?) that I'm also saying he should be relegated to being unimportant. I've never said that. You're making an illogical and blatantly false connection.
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crap now what do I do for the next three weeks since there are no more Olympic events to watch....
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MaxBuck;2193290; said:
You mean he stopped staring at himself in the mirror long enough to marry someone? Who would have known....
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Bucknut24;2193299; said:
In a way, I feel like I'm somewhat responsible for this shitstorm. Mission accomplished.
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scott91575
Resident hater
OH10;2193293; said:
Michael Johnson made a much larger improvement over the world record in the 200 (which Bolt only beat by .02 second to set his margin of victory record) and won the 400 by almost a full second. He also accomplished something no athlete has ever done, won the 200 and 400. Carl Lewis in 1984 won by the same margin in the 100m as Bolt did in 2008, and of course led to a larger gap due to slower times. See what happens when you start adding in more than raw times? I could go on and on with all kinds of sprinters let alone other track athletes.
OH10;2193293; said:
No, the disconnect is you are not getting my argument even in the slightest. Your argument, using raw times as the only basis for your argument, would make Jesse Owen obscure. Hence it's a poor argument. I don't know how many times I can state that before you get it. I am not calling Jesse Owens obscure. I am not even saying you are. I am pointing out that only using raw times as the entire basis of the argument would in fact make Jesse Owens obscure, which we all know he is not. Therefore, it is a poor argument. If the basis of a theory/argument does match up with a well known fact, it is therefore poor or poorly used.
Anyway, I am done banging my head against a wall here. I feel like the freaking miracle worker.
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scott91575;2193308; said:
Bolt's WR in the 100 (the premiere event in sprinting - much as I respect the Michael Johnson double in '96) is currently .11 faster than anyone else has run in history. Carl Lewis was never faster than .02 over any other 100 run by another man. This is also the largest gap between fastest man and second fastest man in the history of the 100m dash (taking out Ben Johnson's 9.79 in Seoul, which was vacated.)
For comparison, the second largest gap is .07 by Jim Hines in 1968 when he was the first man to break 10 seconds at 9.95. From 1968 until 1996, the record only went down by .11 seconds - the exact same gap Bolt has between himself and Tyson Gay's 9.69. That means that if the record gets broken at the same pace from the 60's to 90's, Bolt's record would stand for another 28 years. That would, by far, be the longest gap in history. Also, take into account the distinct possibility that he could go lower.
So yeah, right now Usain Bolt is the fastest man in the world and the difference between him and everyone else is larger than it has ever been. Take also into account the fact that he's the only man in history to win back-to-back golds in the 100 and 200; and I'd say my position is pretty strong.
You still need a dictionary for the term "obscure" sir. Jesse Owens won 4 gold medals in Berlin in 1936. It is one of, if the, greatest accomplishments in Olympic history. This is not that debate. This debate is about the best sprinter (i.e., the fastest man). You're tying yourself in Windsor knots to get around the time issue to make this a debate.
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scott91575
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OH10;2193398; said:
and you need a huge lesson in reading comprehension. Your argument prior to this was based on one thing, and I proved why it was poor. It is amazing how you still don't get it by trying to prove Jesse Owens is not obscure. That was never my argument, and I repeated the reasoning at least three different times and you still don't get it. It is baffling beyond belief. For the record, Bolt may indeed be one of if not the best sprinters in history. Yet your reasoning was poor, and that was the only thing I was attacking.
You are now on ignore. This is beyond stupid and I have no desire to ever hear such imbecility in the future.
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