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Lebron James (Los Angeles Lakers)

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That's Lebron right there. He's the master of the "wow" play and it masks a lot of his deficiencies as a competitor.

You know what's really ironic about last night is that what propelled the Heat on their run was the exact style of play the Cavaliers organization attempted to develop around Lebron. 3-point shooters everywhere and a clear lane of travel for Lebron. The problem is and always was that Cleveland couldn't attract players of the skill level of Mike Miller and Ray Allen as long as Lebron wasn't willing to commit to the franchise.

I think that's the thing I'm most bitter about. The Cavs knew "how" to build around Lebron. He just never let them. And now the Heat are capitalizing on that gameplan.

EDIT: Running to DWade didn't do anything to propel Lebron's legacy, BTW. As you saw last night, Lebron is much more effective and influential on the court without DWade. He wasn't the reason the Queen left. He was the excuse.
 
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Maybe the last 2 years of the 7 he was there you could say his noncommital was a factor. Unfortunately, Cleveland just isn't a destination city that skilled veterans who can pick their team basically want to go and play for. Ray Allen wasn't going to leave a Seattle for a Cleveland. He would, however, leave Seattle for a Boston. (I'm assuming Ray had some say in the trade that sent him to Boston) Just using Allen as an example. I don't know what other free agents there were those last couple years in Cleveland. I would be curious to see a break down of who went where those final 2 years.
 
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WolverineMike;2344934; said:
Maybe the last 2 years of the 7 he was there you could say his noncommital was a factor. Unfortunately, Cleveland just isn't a destination city that skilled veterans who can pick their team basically want to go and play for. Ray Allen wasn't going to leave a Seattle for a Cleveland. He would, however, leave Seattle for a Boston. (I'm assuming Ray had some say in the trade that sent him to Boston) Just using Allen as an example. I don't know what other free agents there were those last couple years in Cleveland. I would be curious to see a break down of who went where those final 2 years.
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michael redd.

and the fact that lebron james would never sign a 5 year extension with cleveland was the biggest hindrance.
 
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WolverineMike;2344934; said:
Maybe the last 2 years of the 7 he was there you could say his noncommital was a factor. Unfortunately, Cleveland just isn't a destination city that skilled veterans who can pick their team basically want to go and play for. Ray Allen wasn't going to leave a Seattle for a Cleveland. He would, however, leave Seattle for a Boston. (I'm assuming Ray had some say in the trade that sent him to Boston) Just using Allen as an example. I don't know what other free agents there were those last couple years in Cleveland. I would be curious to see a break down of who went where those final 2 years.
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Cleveland's success in the first 4 years of his bitchness was turning the Cavs into
A destination spot. The. His refusal to commit to the team and the whispers that followed, prevented the attraction of quality free agents.
 
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Buckeneye;2344937; said:
Cleveland's success in the first 4 years of his bitchness was turning the Cavs into
A destination spot. The. His refusal to commit to the team and the whispers that followed, prevented the attraction of quality free agents.
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Yep. E!spn's non-stop propoganda machine firing up LeBald to the Knicks was sickening. There wasn't a game broadcast from 08-10 that didn't include some LBJ to MSG talk.
 
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WolverineMike;2344934; said:
Maybe the last 2 years of the 7 he was there you could say his noncommital was a factor. Unfortunately, Cleveland just isn't a destination city that skilled veterans who can pick their team basically want to go and play for. Ray Allen wasn't going to leave a Seattle for a Cleveland. He would, however, leave Seattle for a Boston. (I'm assuming Ray had some say in the trade that sent him to Boston) Just using Allen as an example. I don't know what other free agents there were those last couple years in Cleveland. I would be curious to see a break down of who went where those final 2 years.
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Ron Artest and Trevor Ariza (not superstar names, I know) were two of the bigger free agents available in 2009. Both had interest in Cleveland, but both passed. Both of them said directly in the media they didn't believe LeBron was going to re-sign and they didn't want to be left there holding the bag.

Cleveland ended up signing Anthony Parker because Artest and Ariza passed. Either Ariza or Artest could have been the difference on a squad that had trouble defending the perimeter.


Ariza, who had accepted a five-year, $33.5 million offer from the Rockets last Thursday, also received telephone calls from James and Shaquille O'Neal. When James told Ariza he'd be a Cavalier past next season, Ariza was less than convinced.
"He thought it was just a recruiting tool," the source said. "LeBron definitely said it, but until he signs the contract it doesn't mean much."
The Cavaliers did not ask James or O'Neal to call Ariza, but as he did with Ron Artest, James took it upon himself to reach out. James' future in Cleveland has been an issue with potential signees.
Artest, whom the Cavaliers had interest in before he agreed to terms with the Lakers, was concerned about signing a multiyear deal with Cleveland because of James' ability to leave in 2010. And even O'Neal, who was traded to the Cavs less than two weeks ago, tried to find out about James' long-term plans with the club during trade talks.
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WolverineMike;2344934; said:
Maybe the last 2 years of the 7 he was there you could say his noncommital was a factor. Unfortunately, Cleveland just isn't a destination city that skilled veterans who can pick their team basically want to go and play for. Ray Allen wasn't going to leave a Seattle for a Cleveland. He would, however, leave Seattle for a Boston. (I'm assuming Ray had some say in the trade that sent him to Boston) Just using Allen as an example. I don't know what other free agents there were those last couple years in Cleveland. I would be curious to see a break down of who went where those final 2 years.
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:shake:

A Boston what? A Boston Creme pie?
 
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