Lebron James (Los Angeles Lakers)

[Poe McKnoe]

[censored]in' Wilber and Orville... those two [censored]s -- Dayton educates them, buys their bikes and [censored], surrounds them with love and then they take their airplane and fly it in North Carolina. Bitchmade bitches. I'm gonna take my Wright flyer model and burn the [censored]er right now...

I don't think that's a good argument.

"Birthplace of Aviation"
"First in Flight"

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Fuckin' Wilber and Orville... those two fucks -- Dayton educates them, buys their bikes and shit, surrounds them with love and then they take their airplane and fly it in North Carolina. Bitchmade bitches. I'm gonna take my Wright flyer model and burn the fucker right now...

wilbUr was an indiana boy... further wilbur was a heckuva hockey player (he lost all his front teeth playing ice hockey). and everyone knows they stayed in ohio setting up the a pseudo airport north of dayton, even when they went on their world tours.

 

[ArmyVet83]

Fuckin' Wilber and Orville... those two fucks -- Dayton educates them, buys their bikes and shit, surrounds them with love and then they take their airplane and fly it in North Carolina. Bitchmade bitches. I'm gonna take my Wright flyer model and burn the fucker right now...

. Burn those flying bitches.

 

[buckeyesin07]

Wow, I think I see a few names of "free enterprisers" in this massive "[censored] LeBron" fest. It's a business, he's a businessman. Are you telling me that if your company, or another company, made you what you consider to be a better deal in another city you wouldn't take it? Better still, what if your company had the right to trade you, or if your profession kept you from taking the best offer straight out of school?

The situation here is neither as simple as you put it nor so black and white. And I know, based on reading (and having a lot of respect for) your posts in the past, that you know this.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

I'm over it, he's made his choice, I've made mine. I just have to go to confession now to get some absolution for some of the things that I wished for last night.

In the end the thing that bothers me the most is the national perception of Cleveland and Ohio in general and our's and Dan's reaction to this... I'm just wondering who's puppies we killed to get on everyone's bad side. I didn't go up in Ohio, but I went to school there, my wife is from Ohio, I just don't get it.

 

[Ttown]

I blame the front office for not getting him players to win with. No way the Cavs can win playoffs with a one man team.

 

[goblue15]

I blame the front office for not getting him players to win with. No way the Cavs can win playoffs with a one man team.

Yep.

 

[OhioState001]

Who cares about people that are not all in?

 

[kn1f3party]

The situation here is neither as simple as you put it nor so black and white. And I know, based on reading (and having a lot of respect for) your posts in the past, that you know this.

There are two conflicting schools of thought on this: it is business, he doesn't owe Cleveland anything, he is doing what is best for him and he is a traitor, betrayer, a good for nothing bum.

My boss and I argued over this. He sees the former view. I agree with the latter. He used my own employment as an example, said if I found a better opportunity to achieve the things I want to achieve he would harbor no ill feelings toward me and would not believe I owe him anything. He then grew silent as I started to use his own analogy against him:

Would you still feel that way if you had to hire a masseuse to keep me happy?

Would you still feel that way if you had to pay for meals on the town for my friends and family?

Would you still feel that way if you had to physically build a new office just for me, close to home, because I feel the commute is too long?

Would you still feel that way if I had personally aided you in hiring the majority of our staff, because I felt they gave us the best chance for success?

Would you still feel that way if all of these things happened, and more, and I didn't even give you the common courtesy of a two-week's notice?

Worse yet, what if I came in at the final hour before a hiring freeze and ran through the office announcing my intention to quit for a start-up and less money so I can be happy--effective tomorrow morning?

LeBron boned Cleveland and Ohio hard. He deserves everything he gets. There is a reason our society expects a two-weeks notice, we expect a little respect when you're going to disadvantage our business, we deserve some appreciation for the concessions and things we do to keep prima donnas happy. There may be a lot of fringe and non-fans out there that can brush this off, but there are people out there as loyal to the Cavs as most of us are to the Buckeyes and could you imagine Jim Tressel coming in right as his contract expired to announce he is taking a job at Florida, leaving tomorrow, for less money just because he wants to win championships.

That is the analogy we should be using, he bleeds Ohio like LeBron supposedly did. He was a great coach, and we gave him a platform to be a hall of fame coach. Even with a national championship, not one person on here could honestly say that scenario wouldn't cause them to harbor a lot of bitterness and anger.

 

[Cincinnatibuck]

How about for starters quitting in the playoffs...Dragging this out, telling the front office he was still coming back, saying he was going to bring a championship to cleveland the city he loved so much. It is a cop out, because he couldn't get it done here and he wants to take the easy way.

All those things were a facade, he showed no emotion towards leaving the city that made him what he is, putting him up on a pedestal as the king, when if you were really seeing him was a true fallacy. The is the worst part of it, in that he had so many fooled by doing these things around the community that the city believed in him.

He not only lost fans from Cleveland, but quite a bit more from around the league.

And the quote that still gets me the most, is I hope my fans stick with me. No your fans will not, because fans are not fans of individual players, they don't go as you go, they stick with their team.

And his whole my team bull[censored] or his possee is a laughing stock of what he is.

1. Cleveland didn't make LeBron. Do you remember where Cleveland was before LeBron joined the team? What about Cleveland's draft picks after LeBron?

2. I'm not a Cleveland fan but I'll watch because LeBron was playing. Guess what, I'll watch more Miami games now. You've highly underestimated the number of people who follow individual professional athletes instead of a team. Do you not cheer for former Buckeyes that do not play for your favorite NFL or NBA team? I can remember watching Jim Jackson play on some crappy Nets, Golden State, and 76ers teams, but I still watched the games.

3. To question the reasons why anyone that does things for their community makes you look silly. At least that person is doing something positive to give back.

4. There a lot of people posting in this thread that sound (Bitchmade).

 

[kn1f3party]

I blame the front office for not getting him players to win with. No way the Cavs can win playoffs with a one man team.

Who could they have gotten to change that? The Cavs made good moves when they could. At the time, Mo Williams was a good move, Shaq was a good move, and Antawn Jamison was a good move. We improved when we could with what we could. These guys lined up their contracts years ago to make this happen. What could the Cavs have done if they made their minds up when they signed their last contracts?

 

[kn1f3party]

1. Cleveland didn't make LeBron. Do you remember where Cleveland was before LeBron joined the team? What about Cleveland's draft picks after LeBron?

2. I'm not a Cleveland fan but I'll watch because LeBron was playing. Guess what, I'll watch more Miami games now. You've highly underestimated the number of people who follow individual professional athletes instead of a team. Do you not cheer for former Buckeyes that do not play for your favorite NFL or NBA team? I can remember watching Jim Jackson play on some crappy Nets, Golden State, and 76ers teams, but I still watched the games.

3. To question the reasons why anyone that does things for their community makes you look silly. At least that person is doing something positive to give back.

4. There a lot of people posting in this thread that sound (Bitchmade).

There are people like that, and then there are others. We're all going to have different opinions because of that. I'm just not wired that way, I've never rooted for a professional athlete over a team. Others are that way. To each their own.

 

[Ttown]

Who could they have gotten to change that? The Cavs made good moves when they could. At the time, Mo Williams was a good move, Shaq was a good move, and Antawn Jamison was a good move. We improved when we could with what we could. These guys lined up their contracts years ago to make this happen. What could the Cavs have done if they made their minds up when they signed their last contracts?

The two guys that signed with the heat and talked Lebron into going there? Why couldn't the Cavs sign those two? or someone like them?

 

[Cincinnatibuck]

LeBron boned Cleveland and Ohio hard. He deserves everything he gets. There is a reason our society expects a two-weeks notice, we expect a little respect when you're going to disadvantage our business, we deserve some appreciation for the concessions and things we do to keep prima donnas happy. There may be a lot of fringe and non-fans out there that can brush this off, but there are people out there as loyal to the Cavs as most of us are to the Buckeyes and could you imagine Jim Tressel coming in right as his contract expired to announce he is taking a job at Florida, leaving tomorrow, for less money just because he wants to win championships.

There's a big difference here in that he was no longer under contract. You and I don't work under a contract. We are free to find a new job anytime we like (sans 2 week notice). Cleveland was free to pursue any free agent that they wanted. It wasn't like they were led to believe he was not going to talk to other teams. They rolled the dice that they would get him back without a clear backup plan.

 

[billmac91]

And when he shows up on the Buckeye sideline, rooting for the Bucks, are you still going to call him "Bitchmade?"

Absolutely I would. Are you being serious? I'd love to have LeBron in front of me for 5 minutes....what's he gonna do? Have D-Wade hurt me?

As a side-note, and I already stated this, he shouldn't be allowed on the Buckeyes sidelines, and the basketball team should immeditaely quit wearing the LBJ23 line of sports apparrel. He just kicked Ohio in the gut, put 25,000 into unemployment, and cost small business owners anywhere from 25-50 million dollars. Not only did he leave the city, he took a Cleveland Steamer on its chest on national TV.