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DeVryBuck said:
Uh, no. The only reason the were drafted at all was because they were part of an OL that went 25-2 over their junior and senior years with a national title and two BCS bowl wins...we all saw how inept at times the OL was. If these guys were playing for Cincinnati, Louisville, Toledo, Bowling Green, etc., they wouldn't have got a look.
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Date: Jun 21, 2005
Could one of Ohio's and countries top linebackers (Class 05) be headed to the University of Cincinnati? That has been the question running around the Buckeye state over the past few days.
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Freddie Lenix of Cleveland Glenville High School (Cleveland, OH), saw his recruiting come down to Iowa and home state favorite Ohio State. But after signing with the Buckeyes, Lenix learned in May he wouldn't clear OSU admissions to enroll in the fall.
In a Bucknuts.com column dated May 17th, 2005, Lenix and his head coach Ted Ginn Sr. said the following. "We're good," He's going to grayshirt. Coach Tressel was in there today, He's going to take some classes in the fall. Everything is good."
In the article Coach Ginn stressed Lenix was cleared by the NCAA Clearinghouse. But it was OSU's more stringent admissions policies that caught up with him.
Ohio State head coach Jim Tressel wasted little time in letting Lenix know he had a home with the Buckeyes. Coach Tressel visited Lenix and Coach Ginn to stress the Buckeyes wouldn't give up on him.
For the last month things on the Lenix front had been silent. But this past weekend during the Grange Insurance Ohio North - South Game, talk of Lenix heading elsewhere surfaced again. While everyone just though it was rumor, by Monday several sources who spoke with Bearcat Insider felt there could be some truth to the story.
While plans were set for Lenix to enroll at a community college and transfer those credits to Ohio State, the fact he would have to pay for these classes on his own could hold some truths to the story. Add in the fact Lenix has a son to take into consideration and many could read more into the rumors of him leaving for another school ready to play in the fall.
What school is rumored as where Freddie Lenis is looking at heading? The University of Cincinnati is said to be the front runner for Lenix at this time. How much would a Freddie Lenix mean to the Bearcats program. Just like the Master Card commercial, "Priceless" is the answer to the question. The Bearcat getting a prospect like Lenix at this late date would be a major boost to the program as the Bearcats prepare to enter the Big East.
Is this truth or just rumor? From looking at the Bucknuts message board and seeing a source I trust greatly (Gary Housteau) post on the subject, I'm going to trust my judgment and say Freddie Lenix will not be a Bearcat. But in this crazy world of college football one never knows.
So to answer the question if Freddie Lenix is looking to become a Bearcat, I have to say it's a rumor and False... But it was fun while it lasted.
Members of Yahoo Sports can get more news on University of Cincinnati athletics by visiting BearcatInsider.com. Click here to visit.
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Buckin' A
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Mili...we usually agree, but Jason White was part of a Championship Team with a great offense, was a heisman candidate, and got no love in the draft. I think it would help being at tOSU for Freddie, but it will not determine his future...only his individual play making will.
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CleveBucks said:
Who do you think gets drafted higher, a LB at Ohio State (Hawk) with 100+ tackles or a LB at Indiana (Kerr) with 100+ tackles? Exactly.
You guys make this too easy...
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Bucknut319 said:
Actually, with the hype of playing at Ohio State, and if Kerr were to put up numbers at Ohio State like he did he frosh year at Indiana, I wouldn't be surprised to see Kerr get picked first.
The reason that we know how good Hawk is, is because he's been playing for us for the past three years...had he been playing for Indiana instead, folks would be saying things like "It's easy to shine playing on a defense like Indiana's", just as people are now saying that about Kerr. Remember the huge buzz about Kerr when he announced he was transferring to us? We were excited to be getting an "all-conference caliber LB who was from Ohio"...we now know the real reason why he was so "good" was because he played on a defense that was so bad. If Hawk did play for Indiana instead of for us, he'd be facing the same stigma regardless of how good he truly is.
This just keeps getting easier and easier...
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If you have talent the NFL will find you. Remember the Browns blew a 2nd rounder on a division 3 linebacker just because he was fast.MililaniBuckeye said:
But here is a quick question. If Kerr was still at Indiana he would be a first day draft pick. Where compared to Ohio State he never sees the field and might get an invite to a mini camp as an undrafted free agent.
If Ben Roethlisberger comes to Ohio State as TE (as he was recruited for) he never becomes a first round QB and rookie of the year. If Omar Jacobs was at Ohio State instead of Bowling Green he would be competing for 3rd string and a chance of never seeing the field. While he is at BGSU starting his second year and many think he will be another high first round pick from the MAC.
Smaller schools offer opportunity for those players to play the position they want. Or better yet QBs that only play their senior year that have talent but the big schools won't touch since they don't have a track record. Nothing against Freddie Lenix but he isn't going to start as a freshman, and as a grayshirt with grade issues he probable won't see the field for 2-3 years while he grays and then red shirts and by then new linebacking recruits come in and there is a chance he is passed over. (I do wish him the best and hope he does become another great Ohio State linebacker, but this is life at a big college and just using him as an example) By the time he gets playing he could be a lifer on special teams and lost in favor for the next great name recruit.
That is the dark side of the NFL argument at big schools. If you don't play much it is hard to get into the NFL. Where if he goes to Cincy (a BCS school) or lets say a MAC school like Akron or Kent he can play for 3 years and start and maybe be all conference. The NFL will find you wherever you play, the only real difference is if you can be a star at both places the name college can get you drafted a round or two earlier.
On a side note, the reason Olivea and Clark got drafted was because they had great workouts. Not because they played great. I also recall reading a San Diego paper regarding Olivea that they wondered what Ohio State was teaching them because his mechanics and blocking techniques were all screwed up. But they liked his measurables and that is what got him drafted.
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Buckin' A
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Wow, I didn't actually think you'd be stubborn enough to stick with that...
Kerr was a good Linebacker at Indiana DESPITE not having a supporting cast, not because he was on a shitty defense. We all know that a great supporting defense can make you look even better because an offense cannot dedicate 2 or even 3 guys to block you. Kerr's lack of playing time at OSU has nothing to do with the school or the talent...it has to do with being immature and personal issue's (I'm sure you know the story)
If you truely believe your arguement, how do you explain the Ben Rothlesberger, Ladanian Tomlinson, Randy Moss, Byron Leftwich's of the NFL?
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While there are exceptions to the rule, as I said earlier, the time-proven fact is that if you excel at a top-notch school you will get drafted higher than if you excelled at a lesser school.
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Bucknut319 said:
No, I implied that it would be tougher for him to get to the NFL by playing at Cincinnati, not impossible. Don't twist shit around to support your position. To further support my point, re-watch last year's Cincy game, where one of the commentators compared the stats of Cincy's LB (Jamar Enzor) from the previous year (some gaudy stats like 140 tackles, with 80 solo) compared to Hawk's stats from the previous year (which were considerably less). They then commented on how Enzor plays for Cincinnati and Hawk plays for Ohio State, and that's the difference. Oh yeah, Enzor didn't even get drafted this year. Had he had those stats last year at Ohio State, he'd be a first-day pick. I would guess that Hawk is a first-round pick next year.
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CleveBucks
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MililaniBuckeye said:
You completely dodged the issue. The issue is whether a LB with 100+ tackles at Indiana (Kerr, had he stayed at IU), or a LB that sits the bench at OSU behind more talented players (Kerr, now) gets drafted higher. Bottom line is, Kerr at Indiana gets drafted a lot higher than Kerr at OSU.
You're making it easy by side-stepping the real issue.
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BuckTwenty
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I back you up on that one, Mili. Toledo had a safety this past year, Patrick Body (one of their captains), that is a mix of Mike Doss and Dustin Fox. Hits like a train, is 6'1 or 6'2, runs a 4.4 40, and actually jumped 3/4 an inch taller than Dustin Fox did this past year at UT's pro day (yes, that's a HELL of a vert). Basically, he's Dustin Fox at the safety position with the ability to lay wood and has cover skills a shade below Fox's.MililaniBuckeye said:
Fox gets drafted in the 3rd round. Body goes undrafted and signs a free agent contract with the Bengals. A steal if I ever saw one...
Edit: If he played for the Bucks, he goes no lower than where Fox did... I would have put him late in round 2. At UT, he goes unnoticed and undrafted. I'll let y'all know how he pans out in the league.
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CleveBucks said:
You know what, you're totally right and I'm totally wrong. Let's have 5-star recruits go to to mid-level to low-level schools so they won't have to compete with anyone else for playing time. Carson Palmer surely would've still won the Heisman Trophy had he played at Portland State.
Actually, Kerr may not have even got drafted at Indiana had he stayed there. Indiana had one player drafted last year (WR Rody, round 3), one in 2003 (QB Hamdan, round 7), one in 2002 (QB Randle-El, round 2), and none in 2001.
Kerr can't even find the field here, but we assume that Lenix will eventually be a starter for us...big difference. A starting LB for Ohio State has a better chance at getting drafted than a "star" at a lesser school.
BuckTwenty: Excellent example...greens for you.
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