• Follow us on Twitter @buckeyeplanet and @bp_recruiting, like us on Facebook! Enjoy a post or article, recommend it to others! BP is only as strong as its community, and we only promote by word of mouth, so share away!
  • Consider registering! Fewer and higher quality ads, no emails you don't want, access to all the forums, download game torrents, private messages, polls, Sportsbook, etc. Even if you just want to lurk, there are a lot of good reasons to register!

Lance Armstrong

Jump to latest Follow Reply
Sort by date Sort by votes
matcar;2292467; said:
I could see feeling that way before Lance coming clean, but if you still feel that way knowing that this guy was correct, and like dozens of others, was witch hunted by Lance, then you are hilariously lost. You think he's butthurt, but don't recognize that Lance was the butthurt one attempting to silence everyone. That's rich. Lance was the butthurt one Mili....he was the loser all along.
Click to expand...

Use the thread search function, find and read all the posts by Folanator, and then get back to me...
 
Upvote 0
MililaniBuckeye;2292448; said:
Those "in his path" were his cyclist comptetitors, not those making accusations without "EVIDENTS!!" Those who knew the man and still chose to make unsubstantiated claims had no one to blame but themselves when LA took them to task for it.

The thing that gets me the most is, where is all the rage against all the other cyclists who doped (and yes, including other major race winners)?
Click to expand...

How many of those other cyclists won 7 Tours under the fake premise of "cleanly" battling back from a deadly disease and then perjured themselves in the process?

None that I can think of.
 
Upvote 0
XVmDD.jpg
 
Upvote 0
MililaniBuckeye;2292468; said:
Use the thread search function, find and read all the posts by Folanator, and then get back to me...
Click to expand...

Getting back to you. Armstrong tore through anyone who might tell the truth. There are no excuses. I've yet to see you even attempt to make one. All you've done is question why people are up in arms because he did what others did In doping. ...and to that most people can agree... Meanwhile the point remains undisputed that Armstrong's behavior in his cover ups were far worse than the original crime. You don't even seem capable of mounting a dispute, you just argue meaningless points.

Unless he can somehow make amends for those egregious wrongs, he will be remembered more for that than his incredible athletic achievements.
 
Upvote 0
I don't really follow cycling, and maybe someone who does can clarify this point for me. But my general impression was that virtually everyone competing at the highest levels of the sport is doping. Such that the blood samples of the Tour de France lineup are about like those of the East German women's swim team, just with a bit different cocktail. That's not to say that Armstrong shouldn't suffer repercussions for it, but am I wrong in thinking that it's pretty much standard operating procedure in the sport? At least at the highest levels?
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
zincfinger;2292534; said:
I don't really follow cycling, and maybe someone who does can clarify this point for me. But my general impression was that virtually everyone competing at the highest levels of the sport is doping. Such that the blood samples of the Tour de France lineup are about like those of the East German women's swim team, just with a bit different cocktail. That's not to say that Armstrong shouldn't suffer repercussions for it, but am I wrong in thinking that it's pretty much standard operating procedure in the sport? At least at the highest levels?
Click to expand...

You're right that it is standard operating procedure for the sport, which is what made some of the Armstrong denialists so hilarious. They thought a sport full of cheaters was being dominated by the one guy playing it clean.

At any rate, it shouldn't be standard operating procedure. There's plenty of blame to go around, but Armstrong bears the burden of his deceit.
 
Upvote 0
zincfinger;2292534; said:
I don't really follow cycling, and maybe someone who does can clarify this point for me. But my general impression was that virtually everyone competing at the highest levels of the sport is doping. Such that the blood samples of the Tour de France lineup are about like those of the East German women's swim team, just with a bit different cocktail. That's not to say that Armstrong shouldn't suffer repercussions for it, but am I wrong in thinking that it's pretty much standard operating procedure in the sport? At least at the highest levels?
Click to expand...

Armstrong made me a fan of the sport to the extent that the Tour is now one of my favorite events of the year. I will always consider him one of the greatest athletes and greatest cyclists of all time. His use of performance enhancing drugs largely leveled the playing field with other leading cyclists of the time.

The problem with Lance is that he took his deceit to a level that surpassed even his achievements on the pavement. He was a leader - with considerable help - in his ability to beat the tests (an accomplishment which can be argued took him beyond that level the playing field). He was able to look in the eye of a lens and lie with unprecedented sincerity. He bullied and intimidated his accusers in a fashion that seems impossible to defend. He sued accusers for libel. He tarnished reputations and altered careers, all in his own self interest.

He built an empire from his ability to cycle and his efforts to do good through the Livestrong name. Then he abused it all. Whether for personal gain or to preserve the empire and all the good it was doing is not completely clear. As MaxBuck has said - it is anything but black and white. A fascinating story of human strength and weakness.
 
Upvote 0
Oh8ch;2292589; said:
Armstrong made me a fan of the sport to the extent that the Tour is now one of my favorite events of the year. I will always consider him one of the greatest athletes and greatest cyclists of all time. His use of performance enhancing drugs largely leveled the playing field with other leading cyclists of the time.

The problem with Lance is that he took his deceit to a level that surpassed even his achievements on the pavement. He was a leader - with considerable help - in his ability to beat the tests (an accomplishment which can be argued took him beyond that level the playing field). He was able to look in the eye of a lens and lie with unprecedented sincerity. He bullied and intimidated his accusers in a fashion that seems impossible to defend. He sued accusers for libel. He tarnished reputations and altered careers, all in his own self interest.

He built an empire from his ability to cycle and his efforts to do good through the Livestrong name. Then he abused it all. Whether for personal gain or to preserve the empire and all the good it was doing is not completely clear. As MaxBuck has said - it is anything but black and white. A fascinating story of human strength and weakness.
Click to expand...

</thread>
 
Upvote 0
matcar;2292455; said:
No they weren't. Some were other people in his group of support. Did you even read this article that was linked to in this thread?

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoo...ng/My-Life-With-Lance-Armstrong.html?page=all
Click to expand...

Evidence.

You couldnt have supplied me with any more arsenal for my argument. Evidence is EVERYTHING. He went to a court battle against Armstrong without any evidence in his favor or any written documentation to back himself up with.

The guy whined through an entire article on how he was scammed out of a business venture, but takes zero responsibility for not printing out the only evidence he had, the email confirming their business arraignments. Quit giving the guy the "halo effect" based of his public perception.
 
Upvote 0
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top