Lamarcus Joyner (DB New York Jets)

[tonystarx]

I see now that OSU is going to take the settle route and just present the program and see why what he says. FSU/UF/Tenn is not going out that simple...

Hey genron I wasn't trying to offend you or LJ. I was just trying to make the point that the closer a school is to a recruit location-wise, the easier it is to bumrush the kid. Maybe a little more verbal contact may be desired from the OSU staff as compared to FSU/UF/TENN. But based on what I've heard about JT's recruiting style, he'd rather give the kid an opportunity to see OSU for himself, and the let facilities, tradition, campus/team atmosphere, and depth chart do the talking. He even encourages kids to visit other schools even after they've committed. But I couldn't imagine them taking a lax approach to LJ's recruitment at all. Some kids are put off by being barraged with the constant text, type, and dial aspect of it all, but then others use that to measure interest/need. But I don't think any program wants him more than OSU based on the post below.

According to Scout:

Ohio State has offered 17 kids to date.

Tennessee has offered 66 kids to date.

Florida State has offered 35 kids to date.

Florida has offered 48 kids to date.

Now, we know those numbers probably aren't 100% accurate, because, for instance, we know that OSU apparently has offered Marvin Robinson, which Scout does not reflect, while we probably have not yet offered Luke Muncie, and Scout in fact does show an offer. But you get the point.

LJ is one of roughly 20 kids offered to this point by OSU, compared to 35-70 or so by the other programs you mentioned. If that doesn't speak volumes to what they think of him as a prospective student athlete, I don't know what does. Certainly seems to say a lot more than a bunch of largely uniform letters typed up and sent out in bulk to all the kids with offers, with maybe a few changes here and there to personalize them, that are then signed by the head ball coach. But that's just my opinion.

Eloquently put. Exactly what I wanted to say, but I don't have that kind of time. Really good post. A lot of people have been up in arms about the lack of offers especially to in-state prospects. But it's clear that the staff's strategy right now is to only offer who they think is the absolute best at what they do across the nation due to the scholly situation.

 

[Buckeyecty4]

He and the other kid from STA are the only CB offers to date. That should tell him plenty about how OSU rates him as a talent.

 

[genron187]

Hey genron I wasn't trying to offend you or LJ.

Lol, no offense at all man. It's cool. Man I know he's high on OSU list but I'm convincing LJ of the same thing. Making sure he sees it like that. It's like when you have a two females. One openly expresses her interest and excitement for you while the other one just smiles and look pretty. 7 out 10 times im going with the open chick (weather she's real about it or not) because I dont know if the other chick likes me or is just friendly like that. LOL.. man this is fun.

 

[OSUBucks22]

It's like when you have a two females. One openly expresses her interest and excitement for you while the other one just smiles and look pretty. 7 out 10 times im going with the open chick (weather she's real about it or not) because I dont know if the other chick likes me or is just friendly like that. LOL.. man this is fun.

The quiet chick's the one you always want to marry though...

 

[Buckeye86]

It's like when you have a two females. One openly expresses her interest and excitement for you while the other one just smiles and look pretty.

but if the chatty female openly expresses her interest in you the same way multiple times every day, that seems like it would get old rather quickly

I think there is a sincerity factor at work here that I hope comes through from Ohio State despite a lack of continuous contact

quality of communication rather than quantity

 

[sparcboxbuck]

The quiet chick's the one you always want to marry though...

...you ain't a kidding...

:2004:

Some of the hardest lessons to learn as a young man are patience and how to recognize subtle sincerity. I hope LJ doesn't learn this lesson the way I did...

 

[BuckeyeNatural]

If LJ is making it known he wants to be recruited hard, and OSU remains lax, I will be very upset. As was shown above we have a extremely selective approach to recruiting. How could anybody justify other teams with far more recruits they are trying to cuddle, out working us for our top target? I expect us to greatly pick up our intensity with LJ starting around the spring game. If we dont get more aggressive we are clearly dropping the ball IMO.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

If LJ is making it known he wants to be recruited hard, and OSU remains lax, I will be very upset.

Um, why? JT's "style" resonates with some kids, and it doesn't with others. And that "style" is JT - what a recruit sees from JT and staff during the recruiting process is what the player will actually get when he arrives on campus. JT & Co. are not going to put on some act just to impress a recruit. It's best to be open and honest up front, rather than have the kids find out that they've been "misled" down the road.

How could anybody justify other teams with far more recruits they are trying to cuddle, out working us for our top target?

JT "works" his way, other coaches "work" their own different ways. As I said above, some kids (like David Durham for example) love the way that JT works, but not every recruit will be so enamored of JT's approach. Different strokes....

I expect us to greatly pick up our intensity with LJ starting around the spring game. If we dont get more aggressive we are clearly dropping the ball IMO.

JT is not "aggressive" and "intense" in the way that you are talking about, but in a much more quiet and subtle way. Again, his approach works for some, but not for all. No approach has universal appeal....

 

[dingyibvs]

According to Scout:

Ohio State has offered 17 kids to date.

Tennessee has offered 66 kids to date.

Florida State has offered 35 kids to date.

Florida has offered 48 kids to date.

Now, we know those numbers probably aren't 100% accurate, because, for instance, we know that OSU apparently has offered Marvin Robinson, which Scout does not reflect, while we probably have not yet offered Luke Muncie, and Scout in fact does show an offer. But you get the point.

LJ is one of roughly 20 kids offered to this point by OSU, compared to 35-70 or so by the other programs you mentioned. If that doesn't speak volumes to what they think of him as a prospective student athlete, I don't know what does. Certainly seems to say a lot more than a bunch of largely uniform letters typed up and sent out in bulk to all the kids with offers, with maybe a few changes here and there to personalize them, that are then signed by the head ball coach. But that's just my opinion.

What's your point? That a team like Tennessee is recruiting 4 times as many kids as OSU is, yet they can put more effort into getting Joyner than Tressel and co. can?

 

[OSUBuckeye4Life]

What's your point? That a team like Tennessee is recruiting 4 times as many kids as OSU is, yet they can put more effort into getting Joyner than Tressel and co. can?

The point was to show how much OSU wants Mr. Joyner...as evidenced by him being part of a select, and small, group of offers that the staff has given out.

Nice underhanded slap at the staff. Not the place for that.

 

[Buckeye86]

What's your point? That a team like Tennessee is recruiting 4 times as many kids as OSU is, yet they can put more effort into getting Joyner than Tressel and co. can?

that depends on what your definition of effort is

if you consider an intern at the athletic department sending a recruit the same form letter every day that also goes out to every other recruit being targeted by the school, then yes, teams like Tennessee and other schools that take the carpet bomb mentality to recruiting undoubtedly put more "effort" into recruiting players than Tressel does at Ohio State

once again, it goes back to quality versus quantity

read LordJeffBuck's post, individual recruits responds to the styles differently

hopefully in the case of Lamarcus (along with all other recruits going through the same grueling process), he can sort through the confusion and make a choice that is best for him based not on the amount of letters he gets in the mail, but on where he feels like he belongs

 

[3074326]

What's your point? That a team like Tennessee is recruiting 4 times as many kids as OSU is, yet they can put more effort into getting Joyner than Tressel and co. can?

No, that's not the point at all.

OSU is very honest with their offers. When one goes out, it's important. You're not going to find many players at every position with offers, like the programs mentioned.

I know if I'm a kid, and I get offered by Tennessee and OSU, I'm going to feel good about one and awesome about the other based on how deliberate OSU's staff is. They don't offer everyone who they think might fit with the program, they offer those who they know will fit with the program.

That being said, OSU does not think that any player is bigger than the program (not saying that Lamarcus feels this way). Schools that throw everything at one prospect (whether it's honest or not) might seem to be more interested, but based on what I know about OSU recruiting, an OSU offer alone tells me how much the staff wants a prospect.

 

[billmac91]

What's your point? That a team like Tennessee is recruiting 4 times as many kids as OSU is, yet they can put more effort into getting Joyner than Tressel and co. can?

I don't want to downplay Tennessee and co.'s aggressive approach, but I can definitely say as a former college basketball intern, my biggest job was sending out form letters to recruits.

Seriously, for 4 hours I would sit in an office with an unbelievably high pile of the same exact letter, with an amazingly high pile of envelopes with the players name and address on them.

Again, maybe Tennessee is sending personalized letters.

I think the point being made about JT though, is that he probably isn't the type of guy to send out mass form letters pretending to be personalized b/c that isn't genuine. When you talk to the staff and JT, it is an upfront approach that utilizes quality vs. quantity.

I just can't picture JT sitting behind his desk going through his recruiting database and texting kids the same message ad nauseum. I'm sure a lot of coaches do....

 

[southcampus]

I'm sure he will get the red carpet when he comes up here on his visit(s).

 

[billmac91]

that depends on what your definition of effort is

if you consider an intern at the athletic department sending a recruit the same form letter every day that also goes out to every other recruit being targeted by the school, then yes, teams like Tennessee and other schools that take the carpet bomb mentality to recruiting undoubtedly put more "effort" into recruiting players than Tressel does at Ohio State

once again, it goes back to quality versus quantity

read LordJeffBuck's post, individual recruits responds to the styles differently

hopefully in the case of Lamarcus (along with all other recruits going through the same grueling process), he can sort through the confusion and make a choice that is best for him based not on the amount of letters he gets in the mail, but on where he feels like he belongs

creepy, you posted that I was writing a response.

I was the bomber as I sent out hundreds of letters a day.