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[AKAK]

Is it ever NOT time to rebel against them?

Viva la revolution!

Fix Bayonettes!!!

Oh wait...

To the Hideout!!

Hell I don't even know whose side I'm on.

 

[schwab]

...As a reference to the bad stuff:

BuckeyePlanet - Ohio State Fan Community - Infractions & Points

"...Please remember the staff is all-volunteer..."

Which one of you was blocking Kiffin's vehicle on the way out of town?

:skeleton:

 

[muffler dragon]

What do you call a prophesy that's too late?

Arrogant prepositioning?

 

[AKAK]

Arrogant prepositioning?

I was just going to call him Nostradumbass.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Arrogant prepositioning?

I was just going to call him Nostradumbass.

I can live with either of those, but I think "Arrogant Dumbass" would probably be more apt.

 

[AKAK]

I can live with either of those, but I think "Arrogant Dumbass" would probably be more apt.

You know what I like about this thread?

It's just like the real Browns.

 

[Mike80]

You know what I like about this thread?

It's just like the real Browns.

Well, at least we're not all bandwagonfucks

 

[Meyer]

I got negged for what exactly? I didnt say anything wrong about any players or coaches or posters. I had views that veried from yours and you negged me. Thanks.

Maybe/Probably because you're a [censored]ing dumbass and nothing you've said has been backed up by any factual argument. Draft suicide????

And oh, is there still only 3 QB's who weren't drafted in the first round starting in the NFL last year??

Quit pulling things out your ass and support your arguments and maybe you won't get "negged."

Oh and not being a douche to everyone here starting from your very first post might help as well.

 

[Meyer]

And Drew Brees, Phil Rivers,

There are only how many starting QBs that were not taken in the first round? Your argument does not compute.:(

-Schaub
-Hasselbeck
-Romo
-Warner

Starters in the NFL that weren't drafted in the first round:

Kurt Warner
Trent Edwards/Ryan Fitzpatrick
Jake Delhomme/Matt Moore
Derek Anderson
Tony Romo
Kyle Orton
Matt Schaub
David Garrard
Matt Cassel
Chad Henne
Brett Favre
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Bruce Gradkowski (I guess he doesn't count cause he plays for the Raiders?? Good logic)/ Charlie Frye
Kevin Kolb started a few games, and will possibly be the starter next year.
Shaun Hill started a few games.
Matt Hasselbeck/Seneca Wallace
Mark Bulger


So about 2/3 of all the teams in the NFL had a starting QB that was not a first round draft pick...Not ummmm 4...

This is why you are "negged" my friend...

 

[BayBuck]

Come at me bro!

Here you go, bro: name a position that hasn't seen it's fair share of top-10 bust picks, based on your assumption that a deserving top-10'er should become an all-time great...

QB, LT, NT, OLB? Is one of these "premier" positions really infallible at the top of the draft? And do you really not consider a shut-down CB or stud DE or #1 WR also a premier player?

 

[hatehineygate]

What do you call a prophesy that's too late?

I was just going to call him Nostradumbass.

Thank you. I didnt mean any harm and I certainly didnt extend the same attitude towards any of you that I received for having a view that was differnt than yours. I get that this is a message board and I wont cry about that stuff. However, you brought up the RB thing and since I am the one being accused of not using facts, why dont you answer the question? How many starting RBs are top 10 picks or 1st rounders. My argument is sound.

Maybe/Probably because you're a [censored]ing dumbass and nothing you've said has been backed up by any factual argument. Draft suicide????

I dont understand how I didnt use facts here. I asked about top 10 picks and people started naming off all the corners drafted in the top 10. Some made a few Pro Bowls, great I aknowledged that, but ultimately people were naming players that are not worhty of top 10 picks. Opinion was used, not by me, I pointed out that some of the players listed are not starters/on the verge of being benched or were released.

And oh, is there still only 3 QB's who weren't drafted in the first round starting in the NFL last year??

Quit pulling things out your ass and support your arguments and maybe you won't get "negged."

Oh and not being a douche to everyone here starting from your very first post might help as well.

Not sure where I acted rude to anyone. I made one post and the regulars jumped on me, thats fine I am new and I know how it works. Case and point I asked how many QB starters were not first rounders and you respond in this manner.........

To address your point, naming QBs that started because of injury....come on. We are talking about actual starters, not Seneca Wallace filling in for an injured Hasselbeck.

I am willing to discuss Browns drafts all day.

 

[hatehineygate]

Here you go, bro: name a position that hasn't seen it's fair share of top-10 bust picks, based on your assumption that a deserving top-10'er should become an all-time great...

QB, LT, NT, OLB? Is one of these "premier" positions really infallible at the top of the draft? And do you really not consider a shut-down CB or stud DE or #1 WR also a premier player?

Every position is bustable, no doubt about it. The thing is you have to weigh the value of each position. To a 3-4 defensive team like the Browns, Steelers etc the most impostant player is the NT. If you run that defense and you pick in the top 10 you better be looking for that guy of you dont have him. In the same scheme a DE isnt worth a whole lot because they can be found later as the guys that play the position arent big time names for other defenses. Richard Seymour is about the most productive end we have had recently, he was a first rounder, but more recent 1st round picks havent done as well.

I never said DE wasnt a premier position, they are absolutely invaluable. The guys that can play OLB get a bump because there arent many teams that play the defense in college, so anyone with any postential becomes a huge target.

QBs and DTs are about the same in terms of turnover. Offensive tackle has a better percentage of success than many would think. WR is a mess, DeSean Jackson was picked after a whole gang of poop sandwiches. LB is a little rough, but when considering the entire first round they are safer.

 

[jwinslow]

For every Deion Sanders or Champ Bailey there are 3 elite corners picked in the 3rd round and beyond, that is my point. You are taking a chance on Dunta Robinson when Nnamdi is picked way later.

You keep saying this as though:
1) it is a meaningful number instead of the same random hat where you pulled out the 'name one top 10 CB who lived up to the hype'

2) it would be persuasive if it were true. There are 26 times as many players chosen after the top-10, yet half of the best corners are first rounders and a meaningful slice of those are in the top 10.

Thats what you arent understanding, take another position. The odds are that you can get the same corner later with as many questions in a later round, why burn a top ten on them? Pick a QB or and OLB or a NT, someone that is a bit more proven and a premier position.

You have this completely backwards. Qbs and dts are a much bigger gamble. They are worth more if you get the star, but there are a lot more flops than at corner.

No, you're making up garbage, as seen by your bold yet erroneous declarations of:

- what top-10 corner was worth anythingNever said that
..... (followed by) anything short of hall of fame production = stupid pickYou are m,aking that up,

No, your original post was even worse, daring anyone to find a productive top 10 corner.

taking a corner that high is draft suicide, someone name a corner that went around #7 that lived up to any hype or was productive at all.

When our lists made that statement look foolish, you modified it to be that no one but the two greatest corners of their decade was worth their top 10 slot.

I dont think one pro bowl = warranting top ten pick

there were 4 pro bowl regulars on that list.

Bailey, woodson, nmamdi and barber... Though if argue ronde is a cut below those guys. 3 of those 4 were first round picks, and half of them are top 10 picks.


Besides, woodson isn't a 1 year wonder. He made 6 pro bowls spanning the length of his career, including his 11th and 12th years in the league. If he played for a good franchise instead of the black hole for most of it, he'd probably have 8-10.

- defensive end isn't one of the four premium positions in the NFL OLB is DE in college, same players get drafted for both. Keep making things up.

No, it isn't the same. Freeney, Allen, strahan and many others are pure DEs. Gholston was not a rush lb anywhere but on paper.

Brandon graham is a lot better suited for de than rush lb. He could do both, but he'll be a lot better at de.

Likewise, there are a good number or speed 3-4 rush lbs that could never put their hand in the dirt effectively.

There are some who can do both, but there is a distinction between the positions.

Which top ten CB picks arent foolish compared to the other CBs in that draft?

Most picks look stupid if they get compared to a group with 25 times as many possible gems. Unless you notice that enormous asterisk in the comparison.

Uhhhh........not it comes together for me. RB? Really? Name some starting RBs taken not only in the top 10, but in the in the first round. You can 100% get the same guy in a much later round, but keep actinc sarcastic to me. hahahaha!

Rbs are not usually targeted early because:

A) they last for only 3 years on average. A worn down rb isn't worth keeping, a CB that loses a step or two - due to age or injury -
Can still help you at nickelback or safety.

B) it is the easiest position in football.

C) athletes with average measurables can still dominate and do frequently, unlike many other positions.


Rb and CBs are drastically different approaches in the top 10.

 

[jwinslow]

NFL: At top of NFL draft, defensive tackles are risky proposition - ESPN

 

[NFBuck]

To address your point, naming QBs that started because of injury....come on. We are talking about actual starters, not Seneca Wallace filling in for an injured Hasselbeck.

Who wasn't a 1st rounder BTW. And what's wrong with subbing for an injured player? That's how Brady (arguably the best, certainly the most successful QB in the last 20 years) got his shot.