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[NFBuck]

Depends on how you define "best"...

For overall best in the last 20 years, some would name Elway for overall talent.

For overall best in terms of super Bowls, some would name Troy Aikman.

Just sayin

"Arguably".

quit shifting the argument, how many corners would you take?

Tact. Learn it.

...and he just answered (and schooled) you.

 

[hatehineygate]

For future reference, you get what you give on BP as a noob. If you're being "attacked" in your opinion; then it's probably because you're coming off as an asshole (or some other piece of work).

That is fine, I get that. Since you looked at my posts, I know you saw my original post. I stated Drafting a corner in the top 10 is draft suicide.

tell me how that is inflamatory or acting like an a hole.

 

[jwinslow]

That is fine, I get that. Since you looked at my posts, I know you saw my original post.

Actually your first meaningful post in this thread (besides the obvious 180 lbs = light post):

If you think about it you could take a corner like Haden in the first round and then the safeties from Rutgers and USF will be there early in the second round.

Then you proceed to spend the afternoon arguing how it would be a huge waste to do what you suggested above

I stated Drafting a corner in the top 10 is draft suicide.

It was extremely overstated, and so people responded in turn.

When you scoff at the notion that there has ever been a top-10 corner that 'was productive at all', you have to know you're going to get a strong rebuttal.

taking a corner that high is draft suicide, someone name a corner that went around #7 that lived up to any hype or was productive at all.

Most of the responses pointed out how flawed your list was, most of them simply talking football. When you responded with another similar exaggeration - only the Hall of Fame corners were worth it and the sarcastic comments, then things escalated.

 

[hatehineygate]

Tact. Learn it.

...and he just answered (and schooled) you.

I was asking about top 10 draft pick corners. He brought up DTs, something that nothing to do with the corner issue. In fact I already posted before he did that the DTs picks have been bad, but got a little better when including the entire first round. Not sure how that entails getting schooled, but in keeping with the corner picks maybe that is the varying view point that none of us agree on.

Ecstatic: Agree
1. Bailey
2. Woodson

Pleased: Somewhat agree
3. McAlister
4. Springs
5. Newman-May not start, was benched last year
6. Hall- On his third team, Washington doesnt even want him anymore

Content:I am flat out not happy with spending a top 10 on any
7. Jones (how he played before he imploded)
8. Robinson
9. Rolle
10. Jammer

Disappointed: Agree
1. Westbrook
2. Rogers
3. Starks
4. Knight

 

[billmac91]

I have no idea what crux means, but Arenas will be better and Berry will be better. you may think its dumb that I dont know what that means, but ultimately my point was that taking a corner in the top 10 is draft suicide, feel free to go back and look. I just happend to give you the rest of teh 1st round because the the gang that attcked me here couldnt read that simple fact and their argument was lame.

Thanks for whoever got that red dot out of the CP, how do I find out who gave me a bad mark?

Arenas will be lucky to be a nickel back in the league. He wasn't even the best corner on his team. His NFL talent is based off of returning alone...otherwise he'd be a camp invite. I understand your point, but you could have picked a way better corner with NFL potential than Javier Arenas.

 

[jwinslow]

I was asking about top 10 draft pick corners. He brought up DTs, something that nothing to do with the corner issue.

It has everything to do with your arguments in this thread, constantly talking about taking a DT or QB instead of a CB. The point of those lists is to point out that QBs & DTs are riskier ventures.

6. Hall- On his third team, Washington doesnt even want him anymore

He was still a heck of a talent when he had a babysitter in Atlanta.

Content:I am flat out not happy with spending a top 10 on any

Rolle just made the pro bowl at FS. I'd say he was a solid pickup in the next tier of talent found at #7.

It's not a top 10 pick. It's an 'after 6' pick. You don't have a prayer of landing Bradford, Manning, Suh, Long at this spot. This is the spot where Heyward Bey, Ginn & Harvey reaches are made.

 

[Buckeneye]

Thomas only weighs 180lbs, not good for a safety.

He weighed in a 208 during the combine. So he's a 5-11 200lb safety.
He's not afraid to come up in run support, shows fluid hips, solid ball skills, a pretty sure open-field tackler and run's a fine 40 time.

In a league that's more and more pass happy every year, I'd say those measurables are plenty "good" for a safety. Especially if the Browns can trade down a few spots and still get him.

 

[billmac91]

He weighed in a 208 during the combine. So he's a 5-11 200lb safety.
He's not afraid to come up in run support, shows fluid hips, solid ball skills, a pretty sure open-field tackler and run's a fine 40 time.

In a league that's more and more pass happy every year, I'd say those measurables are plenty "good" for a safety. Especially if the Browns can trade down a few spots and still get him.

Not sure about Thomas. I never liked is run support much. It seems anymore, you take a corner-back and if you don't like his coverage skills just throw him at safety. Hell, Antrel Rolle made the pro-bowl last year as a safety, even though he's afraid of contact. I'm not sold. If you think he can play corner, ok, but I'm not for non-fluid cb's being turned into safeties strictly on a lack of coverage ability. I'd much rather have a Kurt Coleman if thats the case...at least he has proven he likes contact and isn't afraid to throw his body around at the position. In this case I can see where picking at 7 and taking an Earll Thomas could be severely over-paying when a safety could be there in round 3 or 4 worth a look.

Eric Berry is in another stratosphere though..no matter what Mike Mayock thinks. A joke he has any college player rated over him at safety...

 

[3074326]

I'm going to throw out my opinion on the last four pages of this nonsense.

You don't skip a corner you think can be a star just because he's a corner. That's fucking stupid. You evaluate talent before the draft and figure out your biggest needs. If there's a player available you think can help immediately and you have him rated high, draft him. You don't not draft him just because he's a corner and other teams have screwed up picks. What kind of ludicrous logic is that?

So, the Raiders screwed up a first round QB pick recently. So did the 49ers. And the Browns.

RAMS DON'T TAKE SAM BRADFORD BECAUSE OTHER TEAMS SUCK AT DRAFT ANALYSIS!!!!!

 

[muffler dragon]

That is fine, I get that. Since you looked at my posts, I know you saw my original post. I stated Drafting a corner in the top 10 is draft suicide.

tell me how that is inflamatory or acting like an a hole.

AKAK asked if you were being sarcastic when you made the statement. His question is not derogatory. He was simply asking, because in his mind (as he showed blatantly in subsequent posts and in the posts of others) the position of CB has been rather reliable in the top 10.

The proper decorum in this type of situation would not be to respond in a poor fashion; but instead, to create your argument and support the usage of "draft suicide" with some sort of substantiation. You provided nothing to support your statement other than it being your opinion. Thus, the hole you started to dig just kept getting bigger and bigger until you're eventually flailing around in a sea of fallacies.

Basically, instead of going on with your feelings apparently hurt, you should have stepped back, taken a breath, and simply substantiated your point. All the superfluous shit that followed would have been avoided aside from healthy and fun jabbing (as we have enough elitist pricks in this forum to always keep you on your toes).

 

[hatehineygate]

AKAK asked if you were being sarcastic when you made the statement. His question is not derogatory. He was simply asking, because in his mind (as he showed blatantly in subsequent posts and in the posts of others) the position of CB has been rather reliable in the top 10.

The proper decorum in this type of situation would not be to respond in a poor fashion; but instead, to create your argument and support the usage of "draft suicide" with some sort of substantiation. You provided nothing to support your statement other than it being your opinion. Thus, the hole you started to dig just kept getting bigger and bigger until you're eventually flailing around in a sea of fallacies.

Basically, instead of going on with your feelings apparently hurt, you should have stepped back, taken a breath, and simply substantiated your point. All the superfluous [censored] that followed would have been avoided aside from healthy and fun jabbing (as we have enough elitist pricks in this forum to always keep you on your toes).

Prove to me how wrong I was, given that list of corners tell me who you would have felt comfortable with. So far the only person that even prensents any argument is JWinslow, I disagree with it, but no one else has brought anything forward that would say I was wrong.

Guys like D Hall are not worth it in my mind. Its like saying Underwood was worth a scholly while here even though he was only on the team for like two years, but he did well after he went to another school.

 

[MUBuck]

Guys like D Hall are not worth it in my mind. Its like saying Underwood was worth a scholly while here even though he was only on the team for like two years, but he did well after he went to another school.

That's a pretty bad analogy. For one, Hall made the Pro Bowl and had his best years with the Falcons. Two, when Underwood transferred, all we got was an extra schollie. When the Falcons traded Hall, they got 2 picks in return (2nd and 5th).

 

[jlb1705]

So far the only person that even prensents any argument is JWinslow, I disagree with it, but no one else has brought anything forward that would say I was wrong.

Apparently jwinslow is the only one with the patience for this.

 

[muffler dragon]

Prove to me how wrong I was

I couldn't care less about whether your OPINION is right or wrong. My dialogue with you has been all about your CONDUCT.

Just forget I wrote a word since you didn't absorb any of it.

 

[hatehineygate]

I think the Browns need to draft more Buckeyes. Need to revamp the locker room with winners. All we have to do is offer up a 5th rounder for Troy Smith and we can have him. I see these turds like Derek Anderson, Feeley and Seneca Wallace getting picked up before Troy even gets anything. WTF?

Put the heisman winner on our team, I mean winners like Terrell Suggs and Ray Lewis said he should start. Who cares if Flacco was drafted in the first round after Troy was drafted. He won the dang job.