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Kevin Wilson (Former HC Tulsa)

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lvbuckeye said:
I'm wondering when Kevin Wilson will get to run Kevin Wilson's offense instead of Urban Meyer's offense.
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He won't ... If I was Kevin i may think about taking any head coaching job when it opens up after the season because he's hand cuffed by UFMs inability to allow his offense to adapt and evolve. Not to mention he can't even get the QB he would need to run the system.

I'd give my left but to have IUs offense he ran the past 6 years
 
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bukIpower said:
Kevin didn't have any issues at Indiana, NW or OU it's not Kevin.

Personally I listened to UFM after game presser just now and to me he seemed to blame Kevin. Such fucking horse[Mark May]. Let Kevin run his system and get a QB who can throw the ball and if we aren't going to do that then to me Kevin should resign because he deserves better.

UFM needs to understand that you cannot say " I want you to improve our offense but only by doing what we already do"... well if what we do sucks major donkey dick then what's the point?

If we aren't going to let Kevin have control and total say of the offense and are going to force him to make it work with trash QB and WR play then if I'm Kevin I walk
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Well, I can't argue that if that's the case...if it's the other coaches getting in the way (including UFM), then get them out of the way.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
.....but Wilson apparently isn't allowed to run his offense...
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Where are these comments coming from? It seems to be repeated around here now as fact -- did I miss the source somewhere (serious question)? Only comments I've seen on this topic were pre-OU where Meyer was saying something along the lines of 'a younger Meyer would try to be more involved but he is letting coaches run the show'. Is everyone just speculating that Wilson would never choose to run this offense but he still took the job thinking he could make it work?
 
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BigJim said:
Where are these comments coming from? It seems to be repeated around here now as fact -- did I miss the source somewhere (serious question)? Only comments I've seen on this topic were pre-OU where Meyer was saying something along the lines of 'a younger Meyer would try to be more involved but he is letting coaches run the show'. Is everyone just speculating that Wilson would never choose to run this offense but he still took the job thinking he could make it work?
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I said "apparently" basing it off of what's being said here. I haven't seen it anywhere else, either.
 
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RB07OSU said:
Well, I can't argue that if that's the case...if it's the other coaches getting in the way (including UFM), then get them out of the way.
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Honestly I may catch a few "come on now" comments from you guys but if Urban is going to be stubborn and refuse to adjust (and this would never happen) then he shouldn't have become a football coach.

Tressel for example was a I formation power running football team but as the game changed so did Tressel as evidence of his systems with Pryor and Troy. There's no room for arrogance and stubbornness when the whole game is about adjusting and counter punching.

Denzel Washington said it best... "this is chess not checkers!"... well UFM seems literally caught up with playing checkers and even makes analogies to it as such.

You can play checkers when you're physically just better but when you aren't physically dominating a team you better know how to play chess.
 
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BigJim said:
Where are these comments coming from? It seems to be repeated around here now as fact -- did I miss the source somewhere (serious question)? Only comments I've seen on this topic were pre-OU where Meyer was saying something along the lines of 'a younger Meyer would try to be more involved but he is letting coaches run the show'. Is everyone just speculating that Wilson would never choose to run this offense but he still took the job thinking he could make it work?
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It's not rocket science. We have a guy who has been a dynamic playcaller for years who has run an offense for the last two weeks that looks very little like any other offense he's run previous to this.

If I've watched Kevin Wilson offenses for like 10 years and I'm currently watching an offense "run" by Kevin Wilson that looks nothing like those, I severely doubt he just up and decided to run the same putrid offense we were already running. Not to mention the fact that the ineffective screens and terribly timed QB runs we continue to see have long been staples of an offense on an Urban Meyer-coached team.

No, nobody has a firm confirmation that he's not the final decision maker on offense but if you're standing in a field and drops of water are falling on your head, do you really need a meteorologists opinion to know its raining?


My best guess is that Urban is not calling the plays, but he's managing the gameplan going into the game to the extent that there's little anyone can do to really correct the problems.
 
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sg86 said:
It's not rocket science. We have a guy who has been a dynamic playcaller for years who has run an offense for the last two weeks that looks very little like any other offense he's run previous to this.

If I've watched Kevin Wilson offenses for like 10 years and I'm currently watching an offense "run" by Kevin Wilson that looks nothing like those, I severely doubt he just up and decided to run the same putrid offense we were already running. Not to mention the fact that the ineffective screens and terribly timed QB runs we continue to see have long been staples of an offense on an Urban Meyer-coached team.

No, nobody has a firm confirmation that he's not the final decision maker on offense but if you're standing in a field and drops of water are falling on your head, do you really need a meteorologists opinion to know its raining?


My best guess is that Urban is not calling the plays, but he's managing the gameplan going into the game to the extent that there's little anyone can do to really correct the problems.
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So Meyer convinced Wilson to come run this offense and Wilson apparently thought it was a good enough idea to come on board? Or he tricked Wilson into thinking he could run his own offense until he signed on as OC, then pulled the switcheroo to establish his power? Or do you think they didn't have this conversation before Wilson came on board?

My money is on Wilson not realizing until he got here how certain players limited his play calling options.
 
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BigJim said:
Exactly
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Barrett has his limitations, but the talent and skill at Wilson's disposal is miles ahead of anything he's had in Bloomington. Also, in Bloomington his offense shifted drastically according to their talent. They would shift to being a two headed monster running team one year, and a wide open passing team the next.

I do not recall Wilson's Indiana teams gashing OSU with the run and then deciding, boy, that's working too well, let's center the offense around the inefficient parts because it worked well a decade ago at Florida (until it didn't, in spectacular fashion).
 
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jwinslow said:
Barrett has his limitations, but the talent and skill at Wilson's disposal is miles ahead of anything he's had in Bloomington. Also, in Bloomington his offense shifted drastically according to their talent. They would shift to being a two headed monster running team one year, and a wide open passing team the next.

I do not recall Wilson's Indiana teams gashing OSU with the run and then deciding, boy, that's working too well, let's center the offense around the inefficient parts because it worked well a decade ago at Florida (until it didn't, in spectacular fashion).
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Which one do you think is the case:

1) Meyer convinced Wilson to come run this offense and Wilson apparently thought it was a good enough idea to come on board
2) Meyer told Wilson he could run his own offense before signing as OC then went back on it
3) Meyer and Wilson never discussed what power over the offense Wilson would have prior to signing on
4) Other
 
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BigJim said:
Which one do you think is the case:

1) Meyer convinced Wilson to come run this offense and Wilson apparently thought it was a good enough idea to come on board
2) Meyer told Wilson he could run his own offense before signing as OC then went back on it
3) Meyer and Wilson never discussed what power over the offense Wilson would have prior to signing on
4) Other
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1 with a chance of 2.
 
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jwinslow said:
Barrett has his limitations, but the talent and skill at Wilson's disposal is miles ahead of anything he's had in Bloomington. Also, in Bloomington his offense shifted drastically according to their talent. They would shift to being a two headed monster running team one year, and a wide open passing team the next.

I do not recall Wilson's Indiana teams gashing OSU with the run and then deciding, boy, that's working too well, let's center the offense around the inefficient parts because it worked well a decade ago at Florida (until it didn't, in spectacular fashion).
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Yeaaahhh...not getting a good feeling about this. If Meyer is totally unwilling to adjust, that's a major problem and is going to lead to a stagnant program.

You think he'll slowly be willing to hand Wilson more control of the offensive structure and game plan?
 
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