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MililaniBuckeye;674672; said:
You know what, you all are right and am I wrong, seeing I haven't seen Hawaii play at all and you all have seen every single Hawaii home game over the past fix years. Oh wait... :roll1:

Michigan wasn't supposed to score 39 fucking points on us--on our field--but they did. And don't give me the "But we turned the ball over three times in our own territory" shit. Those 3 TOs resulted in 10 points...they scored the other 29 via a solid blend of rushing and passing. While Hawaii clearly relies more on passing, they do have a solid running attack behind a fucking bull of a tailback, Nate Ilaoa, who is 5'9", 260 with the agility and moves of a guy 40-50 pounds lighter...his season rush stats are 105-845 (8.2 ypc) and 12 TDs, and he also has 57 catches for 714 yards (12.5 ypc) and 5 TDs receiving out of the backfield. The Purdue game this past weekend was a great example. Whenever Purdue started playing the pass, Ilaoa would bust off runs of 8-12 yards...he absolutely trucked two defenders on one run. Also, Hawaii thrives on the very same crossing routes and deep middle routes that give us fits, and their two top WRs Bess and Rivers would be starting on all but a few teams in the country (Bess would be our #3 WR here behind Gonzo and Ginn). They are that good. Hell, Hawaii had 653 yards of offense on Purdue (434 passing, 219 rushing), which is far more than Purdue gave up to any other team this year. Their offensive scheme is the kind that would give us a serious challenge.
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Mili,

I don't doubt that Hawaii is a talented team but please don't tell me that you're using the reasoning that you've seen a bunch of Hawaii games in person and on TV.

The same argument could be used against you in regards to many of us seeing OSU in person much more than you have.

BTW, what do you think a spread would be this year if OSU was to go out next week to Hawaii and play?

I'd say about 17.5.
 
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Mililani, I think you're showing a little bias in this thread. Nobody is saying Hawaii sucks, they're just pointing out that they don't belong in the "elite" of college football. I wouldn't give them any chance (home or away) against most teams in the top 10-15.

Right now, Hawaii is 10-2. Their losses are to Alabama - yes, the same Alabama who is piling up loss after loss in the SEC - and Boise State. Granted Boise State is a BCS team this year, but I still wouldn't put them in the elite status just yet. Oh, but wait, you might point out that both of those losses are on the road, thereby making the "Hawaii is great at home" argument still valid. You also might mention that Hawaii is 7-0 at home and averaging 50+ points.

Here's the CFB juggernauts that Hawaii has dispatched at home this year:

1. UNLV - the bottom feeders of the Mountain West.
2. Eastern Illinois - WHO???
3. Nevada - Solid WAC team, but Hawaii won this game by just a TD. Still, I wouldn't call Nevada "elite". Would you?
4. Idaho - subpar WAC team...
5. Lousiana Tech - that's a TECH, not STATE. They've racked up 1... count'em... 1 WAC WIN ALL YEAR.
6. San Jose State - middle of the road WAC team
7. Purdon't - who got hammered by ND, Iowa, and Wisky. Needed OT to beat Miami (OH), and eeked out a 2 point win against a MSU team who mailed their season in over a month prior.

I doubt if these 7 teams could field a single team that would be considered elite. I wouldn't get caught up in the offensive stats without bringing to light the level of talent with the competition. My high school team has a running back who is averaging 7+ yards per carry. Think they can give Florida a run for their money?

That being said, the timing of this thread couldn't be better. Hawaii gets to host Oregon State this weekend. If they can hang 60 points on the Beavers and win by 30+, then you can start talking smack. Until then, your argument has little to no substance.
 
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Hawaii's O would probably give us crap for about a quarter and a half and then we'd adjust like we do every other game when we are challenged by a solid offense and shut them down (for the most part). If we didn't play that B.S. deep zone against scUM down the stretch we wouldn't have given up a few more points. The turnovers sucked and accounted for 10. A retarded call or two put another 7 on the board. That's a lot of if's and but's...BUT...scUM played a PERFECT game against us and w/out our/the refs helping them...I'd give them 21 pts max.
 
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Thump;674688; said:
Mili,

I don't doubt that Hawaii is a talented team but please don't tell me that you're using the reasoning that you've seen a bunch of Hawaii games in person and on TV.

The same argument could be used against you in regards to many of us seeing OSU in person much more than you have.

BTW, what do you think a spread would be this year if OSU was to go out next week to Hawaii and play?

I'd say about 17.5.
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No, my reasoning is that I know Hawaii football quite well whilst none of the chest-thumping dipshits (and they know who they are) know jack-fuck about them. I've never seen Hawaii in person, but have seen every home game save one over the last six years...I know that team.

Their offense this year is likely their best ever. Colt Brennen is light years ahead of Timmy Chang in that he is more accurate and far more consistent. They also have two WRs who are as good as Ashley Lelie was. Their tailback Ilaoa would seriously challenge Pittman and Beanie for PT. Their OL is pretty good, especially in pass blocking and they run devastating screen passes. They would give us serious trouble.

I would think the point spread would be fairly large, but Vegas tends to give Hawaii a little more than your standard 3 points for home field because of the travel involved for their opponents. I see the final as something like 48-31 OSU, with the score being within a TD early in the fourth.
 
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I have noticed all my life that when a team travels all the way across the country they typically perform poorly. When we travel to Washington, we don't play as well as we should more often than not. Last trip to UCLA we lost. Last trip to USC we got murdered. Conversely, I don't remember ever seeing Washington play well in the Horseshoe. I was at the game in '95 when Eddie ran all over them. USC's success (in '91 was it?) was when Cooper was still trying to pick up the pieces from the Bruce years. He didn't have the program running even to HIS standards until at least 2 years later.

The point is that I'm sure adding an extra few hours time-zone difference and an extra few hours of travel time would at least double the effect. Taking crowd noise completely out of the equation I can believe that Hawaii has the biggest home-field advantage in Div. IA.

Alabama was 6-6 this year, but they got to play Hawaii on the mainland and held them to 17 points. No one that played Hawaii on the island held them under 42.

But Purdue did hold Hawaii to 42. They did as well as any defense that played them on the Island, points-wise. And Purdue's defense is horrible.

Seriously, in this year when games were 10% shorter, Purdue still managed to give up 411 or more yards to everyone but Indiana State, Ball State, Northwestern and Michigan State (AFTER the wheels fell off Sparty's wagon). Iowa scored 47 points on them. Miami of Ohio scored 31 and Indiana STATE scored 35.

Looking at the other side of the ball, Purdue ducked tOSU and TSUN, playing only 2 defenses with a pulse all year (Wiscy and PSU). They averaged 266 yards against those teams. Yet they somehow managed 472 yards AT Hawaii, a feat matched only by mighty Nevada. They also scored more points AT Hawaii than anyone else managed all year. They scored a TOTAL of 3 points against Wisconsin and Penn State.

To sum up, I don't doubt for a minute that Ohio State would perform worse in Hawaii than they performed anywhere they played this year. And for that reason the game might be closer than many on here realize. But there is good reason to believe that even a road weary, jet lagged Buckeye squad would do 3 or 4 touchdowns better than Purdue did.

EDIT: Mili, having just read the post you made while I typed, I see your prediction is in-line with my last paragraph. In the words of the great Gilda Radner, nevermind.
 
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OregonBuckeye;674746; said:
You think Hawaii can hold us to 48 points?
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You do the math. Six TDs, two FGs (eight scoring possessions). Actually, yes. How many times this year did we score 48+ points? Once, at NW.

Read DBB's post...that's all you need.
 
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Reading this thread, I find it ironic that the only way Hawaii could prove to all that they would survive against top 25 competition is if they get voted off the island.

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DaddyBigBucks;674727; said:
USC's success (in '91 was it?) was when Cooper was still trying to pick up the pieces from the Bruce years.
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The USC game was 1990.

Fuck John Cooper for quiting on his own players in the 4th quarter like that. That game was an embarrassment.
 
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