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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
Well, they are paid aren't they? It's my understanding that they get free tuition. They get free books. They get room and board and I believe they get something on the order of $500 a month. I know that they are provided with free tutoring services, adult supervision and intense small group instruction in their skills. Many receive diet and nutrition training and the use of university owned state-of-the-art facilities that their peers are locked out of. They get adoration and sexual gratification-which makes me envious- as well as mentoring in career development. Even if they don't get a monthly stipend, the package has got to be in the vicinity of $35 to 50K easily.
I understand from athletes I coached, who went on to college on scholarships, and from athletes who are in my classes at NKU, that a scholarship is like a full time job. Training and season are all but year round activities and, when added to school, they're held accountable for more than 40 hours per week. Many are not prepared for those responsibilities in terms of behavioral maturity (say hey, Johnny Manziel), intellectual capability (Desmond Howard, how they hangin'?) and academic skills. Unfortunately, many programs don't waste a good deal of time addressing these liabilities.
But beyond that, I'm interested in three issues:
1. If we have problems keeping the playing field level and the rules violations under control now with limited reimbursement, won't salaries only blow the roof off? Is this not like throwing gasoline onto a fire?
2. How do you work around Title IX requirements and non-revenue sports? Good bye wrestlers, swimmers, track and field and about half of all women's sports.
3. What will be the difference between college and professional athletes? Maybe there isn't one to begin with.
Frankly, despite my love for college football, especially Buckeye football, I find myself falling into the Robert Hutchin's camp of University of Chicago; it's time for schools to go back to the business of education and leave professional entertainment to the market place.
The salaries of coaches greatly exceed the salaries of university presidents and professors. (in fact, my guess is that an athlete at, say, a Notre Dame or a Northwestern probably makes more (see above) than some of the instructors and nontenured professors.) This is a fact which distorts the meaning and purpose of education. The crimes committed in recruiting, the inherent primacy of sport over academics within the athletic departments and within society, the interference from industry, commerce - Addidas and Nike, take a bow- and boosters, the need to lean on the legal and academic system to keep key athletes eligible, all detract and degrade the purposes of higher education.
Maybe the end of the fantasy of "amateur" athletics and the return to academics and research by our entire school system will be the one good thing to come out of the dickhead antics of Johnny Football.
I understand from athletes I coached, who went on to college on scholarships, and from athletes who are in my classes at NKU, that a scholarship is like a full time job. Training and season are all but year round activities and, when added to school, they're held accountable for more than 40 hours per week. Many are not prepared for those responsibilities in terms of behavioral maturity (say hey, Johnny Manziel), intellectual capability (Desmond Howard, how they hangin'?) and academic skills. Unfortunately, many programs don't waste a good deal of time addressing these liabilities.
But beyond that, I'm interested in three issues:
1. If we have problems keeping the playing field level and the rules violations under control now with limited reimbursement, won't salaries only blow the roof off? Is this not like throwing gasoline onto a fire?
2. How do you work around Title IX requirements and non-revenue sports? Good bye wrestlers, swimmers, track and field and about half of all women's sports.
3. What will be the difference between college and professional athletes? Maybe there isn't one to begin with.
Frankly, despite my love for college football, especially Buckeye football, I find myself falling into the Robert Hutchin's camp of University of Chicago; it's time for schools to go back to the business of education and leave professional entertainment to the market place.
The salaries of coaches greatly exceed the salaries of university presidents and professors. (in fact, my guess is that an athlete at, say, a Notre Dame or a Northwestern probably makes more (see above) than some of the instructors and nontenured professors.) This is a fact which distorts the meaning and purpose of education. The crimes committed in recruiting, the inherent primacy of sport over academics within the athletic departments and within society, the interference from industry, commerce - Addidas and Nike, take a bow- and boosters, the need to lean on the legal and academic system to keep key athletes eligible, all detract and degrade the purposes of higher education.
Maybe the end of the fantasy of "amateur" athletics and the return to academics and research by our entire school system will be the one good thing to come out of the dickhead antics of Johnny Football.
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Title IX is just one tip of a very big iceberg. Anything that goes beyond a stipend (which I would cap to be equal loss of potential part-time, minimum wage earnings) opens itself to labor practices. Because the NCAA hasn't fucked up things enough already on their own, why not get the Depts of Labor and Commerce involved too? Let's set the student-athletes up with pensions and allow them to unionize!
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Bleed S & G
Taking Crazy Pills
Title IX seems to be something everyone has forgot about, or something that is ignored because it doesn't fit the media narrative.
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Do college athletes get medical insurance through the athletic department or are they on their own through their families? Anyone know?
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I don't know for certain, but I assume they get insurance through the school they attend. I know when I was at Ohio State, I had whatever insurance they offered students.
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TampaBuckeyes
Assistant Coach
How much does it cost to go see a guy like George Whitfield for a week. Then multiply that by 50. Then add in the state of the art facilities, a place to stay for 4-5 years, meals, a nutritionist, and a i will leave out 35k in tuition for 4 years. I think you may be topping half a million over a college career. The most important part of this number is that without those benefits there is no big NFL paycheck. It is a win win, the kids get a path to the nfl. God forbid the university make a profit on their investment.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
They receive medical insurance according to a high jumper I coached, who jumped for Purdue. I'm not sure if McGahee had extra coverage, but I know some athletes who want to stay in school and know they will be drafted get a rider for catastrophic injuries. Their parents must buy it. (with maybe a friendly booster helping out.)
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Tom Brady joins the Johnny Manziel bashing party
As a guest on CNBC’s Squawk Box, Brady was asked about his opinion of the Texas A&M quarterback — because why not? — and the New England Patriots quarterback handled the hot button issue as well as you would have expected, rather than suggesting he would look to cause any physical harm or intimidation.
“He’s [Manziel] probably been the best athlete in his high school class, in his elementary school class,” Brady said, which is probably true. “So when you look across the ball, you have respect for those guys and treat them with respect. Football’s a physical game … and as [New England Patriots owner Bob Kraft] would say, “If you’re a turd, it’s going to come back to you.”
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...brady-joins-the-johnny-manziel-bashing-party/
As a guest on CNBC’s Squawk Box, Brady was asked about his opinion of the Texas A&M quarterback — because why not? — and the New England Patriots quarterback handled the hot button issue as well as you would have expected, rather than suggesting he would look to cause any physical harm or intimidation.
“He’s [Manziel] probably been the best athlete in his high school class, in his elementary school class,” Brady said, which is probably true. “So when you look across the ball, you have respect for those guys and treat them with respect. Football’s a physical game … and as [New England Patriots owner Bob Kraft] would say, “If you’re a turd, it’s going to come back to you.”
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...brady-joins-the-johnny-manziel-bashing-party/
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ochre
Hall of Fame
Not sure what year this is from; it's the OSU Student Athlete handbook and it looks real:
http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/osu/graphics/pdf/handbook/Student-Athlete-Handbook.pdf
http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/osu/graphics/pdf/handbook/Student-Athlete-Handbook.pdf
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The school carries a medical insurance policy for every official member of the team/coach/etc.
Basically if they are playing for or are employed by Ohio State, they're covered either because they are a student or because they are an employee. High School sports are much the same way although i'd bet the college plans are better.
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AJHawkfan
Wanna make $14 the hard way?
Giving the players a monthly stipend might seem like a good idea, but...
Who pays for it? At the cash-rich schools it's simple - take it from the football revenue. At the BGSU's and Kent State's of the world (who are already losing money with football and athletics in general) who pays for it there? General fund - aka the rest of the student body via tuition hikes - awesome, more student load debt......
Is a $300/month stipend going to stop the $100 handshakes and other illegal benefits? Nope. If anything, you could argue that it would make them worse.
If you pay the football players, do you also play the basketball players? IMO, you have to. Do you then pay the baseball players, track athletes, cross country, volleyball, etc.....?
Who pays for it? At the cash-rich schools it's simple - take it from the football revenue. At the BGSU's and Kent State's of the world (who are already losing money with football and athletics in general) who pays for it there? General fund - aka the rest of the student body via tuition hikes - awesome, more student load debt......
Is a $300/month stipend going to stop the $100 handshakes and other illegal benefits? Nope. If anything, you could argue that it would make them worse.
If you pay the football players, do you also play the basketball players? IMO, you have to. Do you then pay the baseball players, track athletes, cross country, volleyball, etc.....?
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