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Jim Tressel (National Champion, ex-President, Youngstown State University, CFB HOF)

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Merih;1572438; said:
Slow down I'm still trying to do all the math from the last page...
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Right there with you...
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zincfinger;1572381; said:
Neither "the navy kid" (Ricky Dobbs, Jr.) nor Joey Elliott (Sr.) is a true freshman. Moving on to the point at hand, Matt Barkley clearly has the benefit of superior OT play relative to what Pryor has, and Forcier arguably has that benefit as well. And this is granting the less-than-certain assertion that Barkley and Forcier have played better than Pryor against comparable competition. So, to support your original contention (multiple true freshman playing better than Pryor), you've named one person who, maybe, debatably, fits the bill.
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Excellent points, now where do Navy recruits compare with OSU recruits? didn't this board (myself included) have a heyday out of Notre Dame's capture of the Commander's Cup? Spare me the "they play an offense teams don't see," comments. The bucks were outplayed that day and I, we wrote it off as, "They were looking ahead."

Matt Barkley is playing behind a "young line" and is a "true freshman." And doesn't that make my comments about the OSU offense all the more pertinent? And Forcier? My God, we, me included, were salivating at the thought of how a young Michigan QB would survive behind a young line, a woeful defense, would win more games than last year. The bucks may still have more than enough offense to outscore Michigan, but the game hardly looks like the anticipated route.
 
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cincibuck;1572436; said:
I have re-watched the game. Sometimes the DVR is a bitch as when it yields the same results. The truth of the game from my viewpoint was that Purdue wouldn't let our offense get on the field and our offense couldn't produce any first downs to give the D a rest. And it wasn't just time of possession, it was the fact that they kept getting points out of TOP. In re-watching how do you explain the TD toss to Posey as anything other than undeserved good fortune?
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OSU moved the ball to that point very efficiently on that drive so undeserved is a bit overstated. I can't discount good fortune but don't discount Posey and if he didn't catch it Sanz's ability to catch that pass. TP was about to get hit AGAIN and it was 3rd down and long and had to find someone to give them a chance. Both guys were open when the ball was thrown but TP couldnt get any strength behind the throw.

The fumbles looked bad at first but TP got bear hugged on one and tried to swim to put it away and the first one he got handcuffed.

4 plays shot out immediately to not having a three and out.
1. Missed pitch to Saine-30 yard gain missed
2. TP not running on the Carter int.
3. TP missing Posey by a foot on a crossing route late in the game that would have continued the final drive and put us at the 10.
4. missed pass for TD to Ballard.

The offense went 4 of 5 on 3rd downs to finish the game(sack after the pass to Posey above was the miss). Maybe I am wrong but it looked as if TP made pretty good to great decisions on the last 2-3 drives. The WRs and him were on the same page for most of those drives. WR's sitting in zone holes and TP hitting them. That pass to Posey could have even went for a score due to it being between the safeties. The offense has had a rough time being consistent and if it happens one game they could score 45 points easy.
 
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cincibuck;1572444; said:
Excellent points, now where do Navy recruits compare with OSU recruits? didn't this board (myself included) have a heyday out of Notre Dame's capture of the Commander's Cup? Spare me the "they play an offense teams don't see," comments. The bucks were outplayed that day and I, we wrote it off as, "They were looking ahead."

Matt Barkley is playing behind a "young line" and is a "true freshman." And doesn't that make my comments about the OSU offense all the more pertinent? And Forcier? My God, we, me included, were salivating at the thought of how a young Michigan QB would survive behind a young line, a woeful defense, would win more games than last year. The bucks may still have more than enough offense to outscore Michigan, but the game hardly looks like the anticipated route.
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Yes, Matt Barkley is a true freshman, no quotation marks needed. He's not playing behind a young line. He's playing behind an experienced, talented O-line; one of the best in the country. The general salivation over how Forcier would (or would not) survive was based on his slight frame, not on the experience of his O-line. Again, it's a fairly experienced unit; more experienced than OSU's, particularly at the critical tackle positions.

As far as Navy goes, I had no intention of making any "they play an offense we don't see" comments. Dobbs does not fit your profile of "freshmen outplaying Pryor" because he's not a freshman. Even if he were, it's far from clear that he would fit that profile.
 
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BuckeyeMac;1571904; said:
A. We aren't going to have a power run game when our backs are 5'10, 193 and 6'1, 217. Those are speed backs. B. I disagree with you that we are "passing the ball more because of this". Our running stats on the year are pretty good. With averages of 5.4 and 4.3 I disagree that our "run game" isn't there. Saturday, Saine was running hard and had a great start to the game, we just stopped running the ball for some reason.
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OSU is 5th in the Big 10 in rushing with 157.0 YPG. Since 2005 we have averaged 190+ YPG with the exception of 2006, Troy Smiths senior year. Even that year we averaged almost 170 YPG. I am not saying that is horrible but it is not really that good either.

I read the article on ESPN today where JT said he was not even considering benching Pryor even if he is having a bad game. A little ironic how he benched Todd but won't even consider it with Pryor. Doesn't make a lot sense to me. In fact it is down right annoying. Sometimes a benching works out good just to get their heads screwed back on straight.
 
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Lockup;1572507; said:
I read the article on ESPN today where JT said he was not even considering benching Pryor even if he is having a bad game. A little ironic how he benched Todd but won't even consider it with Pryor. Doesn't make a lot sense to me. In fact it is down right annoying. Sometimes a benching works out good just to get their heads screwed back on straight.
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IMHO, it says more about what they think JB can bring off the bench...if Pryor was not benched for at least a series last week (which I definitely think should have happened) it is telling about what is behind him.
 
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cincibuck;1572444; said:
Excellent points, now where do Navy recruits compare with OSU recruits? didn't this board (myself included) have a heyday out of Notre Dame's capture of the Commander's Cup? Spare me the "they play an offense teams don't see," comments. The bucks were outplayed that day and I, we wrote it off as, "They were looking ahead."
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That Navy game was bizarre. Seemed like it could've easily ended up as a 30 point blowout.

Matt Barkley is playing behind a "young line" and is a "true freshman."
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Young line? They returned all 5 starters from last year and have back-ups with starting experience.

osugrad21;1572513; said:
IMHO, it says more about what they think JB can bring off the bench...if Pryor was not benched for at least a series last week (which I definitely think should have happened) it is telling about what is behind him.
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Do you think it speaks more about JB or JT's confidence in the OL to protect him?
 
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