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Jim Tressel (National Champion, ex-President, Youngstown State University, CFB HOF)

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starBUCKS;1571109; said:
Skunkbears are crap, national title was 7 years ago, Big Ten is arguably the worst major BCS conference and his winning percentage against top 20 teams isn't even half of that... Just saying
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How many other coaches have taken their team to three national title games in the past 7 yrs? How many other coaches have won a national title game in the past 7 yrs? TSUN hasn't always been crap (though they have always sucked lol), you would arguably lose your argument about the Big Ten being the worst major BCS conference, and Tress has certainly won his share of big games, having played in more big games than any coach in the past 7 yrs....just saying.

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In the eight years Tressel has been here, with all of the talent we have brought in, we have had one year with a potent offense. The other seven and the first half of this year, The offense seems to score despite what is called and what they are taught. Even Troy Smith's "Heisman Moment" against PSU was a play where he was running for his life 2 seconds after the snap.

I'm no expert in football, by any means. But it seems we are the only major BCS team that has this problem year in and year out. The players change every 3-5 years, the coaching staff doesn't. But nothing changes. The two constants are apparently related. coaching staff and poor offense.

I've heard the argument that the players need to execute. And yeah they do. But they don't. And these kids weren't all 1 star rectuits coming in with no ability. They were among the players in the nation at every position. But they get here and they can't block, can't throw, can't break a tackle, can't get open and can't read a blitz. Who does that fall back on?
 
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Buckin' A;1571076; said:
There is nothing more detrimental he could be teaching these young men. To say that it is OK to fail, that it is alright to not be successful at your job, that is crippling.
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You can be successful at your job as a football player and student-athlete without winning all the time. Period.
 
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ysubuck;1571110; said:
I honestly don't know what to think anymore. The offense is a consistent problem and it doesn't appear to be headed in the right direction. The author might be reaching with the "control freak" psychoanalysis, but something has to give at some point. There is no reason that Ohio State shouldn't be able to field a competent offense. 91st in the fucking country playing in the Big 10? 101st in passing???? You have to be fucking kidding me.
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My only real concern is that potential recruits for skill positions might start to look in other directions if they see consistant under achieving offenses. At this point, that does not seem to be the case.
 
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scooter1369;1571146; said:
In the eight years Tressel has been here, with all of the talent we have brought in, we have had one year with a potent offense.
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Disagree with this. We have had at least several "potent offenses", with all the talent we put on the field and the things they repeatedly prove capable of doing -- is any team with Beanie at RB really not potent? -- but they are simply not putting up the numbers you think are necessary to be called potent after-the-fact. Tressel teams may not be built to wow you with stats, but to say they are not potent is an exagerrated criticism.
 
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scooter1369;1571146; said:
I've heard the argument that the players need to execute. And yeah they do. But they don't. And these kids weren't all 1 star rectuits coming in with no ability. They were among the players in the nation at every position. But they get here and they can't block, can't throw, can't break a tackle, can't get open and can't read a blitz. Who does that fall back on?
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Dunno. Traffic sucks around the stadium after games...they should fire your ass too.

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BayBuck;1571152; said:
Disagree with this. We have had at least several "potent offenses", with all the talent we put on the field and the things they repeatedly prove capable of doing -- is any team with Beanie at RB really not potent? -- but they are simply not putting up the numbers you think are necessary to be called potent after-the-fact. Tressel teams may not be built to wow you with stats, but to say they are not potent is an exagerrated criticism.
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The 2008 and 2002 teams relied entirely on one person. Beanie and Mo respectively. Once they were out, the offense was putrid.
 
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starBUCKS;1571109; said:
Skunkbears are crap, national title was 7 years ago, Big Ten is arguably the worst major BCS conference and his winning percentage against top 20 teams isn't even half of that... Just saying
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the skunkbears were a consistent top 10 team until 2007.

Someone seriously needs to look up the offense during the Cooper era. Yes he had much more potent offenses, yet he didn't win SHIT. What did he have, like 2 Big Ten championships?? Not to mention his 2-10-1 record against Michigan.

I think, I KNOW we've been spoiled as a fanbase. Remember last year when people were saying this was the "golden age" of Buckeye football? No shit, and now Buckeye fans want that silver spoon and victories at all times.

No one is saying that it's ok to lose. Tressel wouldn't be in this line of business if he thought losing was ok or that if losing didn't tear him up, because I GUARANTEE YOU it does.

Does the offense have to get better? Absolutely. No one knows that better than JT himself. He's earned the right to straighten it out.
 
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starBUCKS;1571109; said:
Skunkbears are crap, national title was 7 years ago, Big Ten is arguably the worst major BCS conference and his winning percentage against top 20 teams isn't even half of that... Just saying
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Here are the rankings for each one of those contests. Michigan was not always [censored], so that's a trite response on your part. I have highlighted our losses in that game under Tressel. :wink:

2001- Michigan 11th, OSU Not ranked

2002- Michigan 12th, OSU 2nd

2003- Michigan 5th, OSU 4th

2004- Michigan 7th, OSU NR

2005- Michigan 17th, OSU 8th

2006- Michigan 2nd, OSU 1st

2007- Michigan 23rd, OSU 7th

2008- Michigan NR, OSU 10th


Perhaps some of the Tressel haters out there should go back and look over John Coopers record against Michigan. Anyone remember how bad that Michigan St. game stung? How about all the losses to Michigan that would have cost us a title? If he took us to a New Years bowl we were happy. Now Tressel does that on an annual basis.

Sure, Tress has got to get the offense going. I know that it's not flashy, but I really like to win Big Ten titles, beat Michigan, and go to BCS games. With him as our head coach he's done that quite a bit, so I am good with him. Did I mention that he's taken us to three title games since 2001? Say whatever you want, that's a good fucking coach. Just saying.......... :)
 
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I am a huge supporter of JT. I think that he has really done a lot for tOSU program and for that I am grateful. However, I do think it is time that he give up on the offensive playcalling and focus more on the headcoaching duties in general. This is not a knock on JT. Plenty of very good coaches don't do their own playcalling, for example Pete Carroll. I don't see what the downside of making that change is. We have had some incredible defenses over the last several years, but no offense to match. I am not saying that JT's playcalling is the sole reason for that. What I am saying is this; how can it hurt?
 
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starBUCKS;1571109; said:
Skunkbears are crap, national title was 7 years ago, Big Ten is arguably the worst major BCS conference and his winning percentage against top 20 teams isn't even half of that... Just saying
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Here are the rankings for each one of those contests. Michigan was not always [censored], so that's a trite response on your part. I have highlighted our losses in that game under Tressel. :wink:

2001- Michigan 11th, OSU Not ranked

2002- Michigan 12th, OSU 2nd

2003- Michigan 5th, OSU 4th

2004- Michigan 7th, OSU NR

2005- Michigan 17th, OSU 8th

2006- Michigan 2nd, OSU 1st

2007- Michigan 23rd, OSU 7th

2008- Michigan NR, OSU 10th


Perhaps some of the Tressel haters out there should go back and look over John Coopers record against Michigan. Anyone remember how bad that Michigan St. game stung? How about all the losses to Michigan that cost us a Big Ten title? Under Coop we were just happy to play on New Years, Tressel delivers that on an annual basis.

Sure, Tress has got to get the offense going. I know that it's not flashy, but I really like to win Big Ten titles, beat Michigan, and go to BCS games. With him as our head coach he's done that quite a bit, so I am good with him. Yeah, three chances to play for a title since 2001 isn't too bad either. Just saying............ :)
 
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