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Jameis Winston (QB Browns)

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LordJeffBuck said:
That's the populist view. It also happens to be wrong.
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In a purely technically legal sense, he is innocent. So are OJ and Robert Blake. In the larger moral and ethical sense of the word, he is a scumbag, pure and simple.

What I wonder is how many of these people defending Winston would be happy if they found out that their 18 year old daughter was headed back to his apt with Wiinie and his gangbang crew?
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
In a purely technically legal sense, he is innocent. So are OJ and Robert Blake. In the larger moral and ethical sense of the word, he is a scumbag, pure and simple.

What I wonder is how many of these people defending Winston would be happy if they found out that their 18 year old daughter was headed back to his apt with Wiinie and his gangbang crew?
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LordJeffBuck said:
That's the populist view. It also happens to be wrong.
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There are any number of famous people who have never been charged with a crime whom I, nevertheless, maintain a negative opinion about.

My impression of an individual's character hasn't been something I'm in the habit of submitting to a vote, or requiring the permission of those in authority before I form it. Funny thing is, in the long haul, I've been right many more times than I've been wrong.

If someone can provide absolute proof that JW was set up, tricked, trapped, deceived, seduced, or in any other way wholly blameless in this encounter, I'll apologize for my mistake. For me, however, that proof might also need to include evidence that, prior to the "consensual" encounter, he at least knew the woman's freaking name.
 
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BayBuck said:
The legal definition of "innocence" typically comes second in English dictionaries, after the moral one. The "populist" view is likely just as accurate as the strictly legal one regarding Jameis.
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Are you advocating that laws should be based on morality? If so, from where does that moral code originate? And should every "immoral" act also be "illegal"?

Anyway, I'm going to focus on football for the next eight hours or so.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Are you advocating that laws should be based on morality? If so, from where does that moral code originate? And should every "immoral" act also be "illegal"?

Anyway, I'm going to focus on football for the next eight hours or so.
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I'm not BayBuck, but that seems like a strawman to me.
The legal definition is good for the legal sense.
Doesn't mean we can't form our own independent opinions about the matter, however.

That said, the negative 'populist' opinion has a lot to do with the fact that the legal authorities in this case failed to perform their jobs and botched the case.
We'll never know what really happened that night. As a result, Justice was not served to the detriment of everyone involved... her, him, and society at large.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Are you advocating that laws should be based on morality? If so, from where does that moral code originate? And should every "immoral" act also be "illegal"?

Anyway, I'm going to focus on football for the next eight hours or so.
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Or maybe that morality should not be based strictly on laws, as has traditionally been the case in a contemporary sense? More that, really. Maybe get your head out of those books, Lordjeff, there's a real world out there.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
What I wonder is how many of these people defending Winston would be happy if they found out that their 18 year old daughter was headed back to his apt with Wiinie and his gangbang crew?
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What I wonder is whether FSU QB #5 Jameis Winston, in his Heisman acceptance speech, will give a special acknowledgement to
DE #21 Chris Casher and DB #3 Ronald Darby ( aka: The FSU Gang Bang Crew )
for their diligence, hard work, integrity and efforts to help make him into what he is today?

I wonder if Archie Griffin will shake his hand?
 
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