Jameis Winston (QB Browns)

[BUCKYLE]

Or, if they end up playing Duke, just before that game. (Duke being the worst potential 10-2 team in recorded history.) That way he can be reinstated before the NC game.

I think the voters may not put FSU in the NCG if they don't think Winston will play. The pollsters are heavily influenced by ESPN and the like, but it's understandable to an extent. Most of the voters have jobs, I assume. They can't watch every game every week. But I gotta believe that the guys running the Bowls have some influence if they choose to exert it as well. They don't want a team in the CG without it's best player. It's bad for business.

Doesn't matter. Florida is going to beat FSU or FSU is going to crush UF then shit the bed against Duke. My sports almanac from the future has tOSU as National Champs this year.

 

[utgrad73]

I agree, but win by 20 or win by 50, which looks cooler? I'm surprised FSU didn't play their backup QB just to see how he performs in game-time situations.

Indeed. FSU better ready their backup. Wilson may sidelined/suspended leaving them without their vaunted play caller.

 

[Dryden]

FSU's backup QB had season ending surgery two weeks ago (torn meniscus). They're down to a 3rd string Freshman behind Jameis. I don't think Jimbo is in any hurry to get Macguire reps in game situations when the outcome is still in doubt.

 

[utgrad73]

FSU's backup QB had season ending surgery two weeks ago (torn meniscus). They're down to a 3rd string Freshman behind Jameis. I don't think Jimbo is in any hurry to get Macguire reps in game situations when the outcome is still in doubt.

MacQuire had some time in their 80 -14 win and was 9/14 passing. 1 TD and 1 INT. They had 5 rushing TDs and 4 passing. If you meant the game outcome was in doubt, I don't understand the comment. If you meant the outcome coming from his arrest, then MacQuire should have been playing the entire second half. Seems logical to me.

 

[kujirakira]

As Georgia Southern just proved, you don't even need a QB to beat Florida.
That said, will Tyler Murphy be back for FSU ? If he is, there might be some slight chance at making it a trap game. But I'm not going to hold my breath.

 

[DZ83CK]

Ten bucks says they already know they're going to charge him. They're waiting until after the ACC CG. My guess would be the Tuesday after the polls that determine the BCS line-up are published

I would hope that they're not stalling this thing just for football. But of course, that's why it stalled in the first place. Having Thanksgiving this week, you know most of the government workers are going to be off Thursday and Friday anyway. I don't know what all loose ends they would still need to tie up to make their decision, but surely this case has taken its time to get to this point. I don't see how they could avoid at least charging him, but who knows.

 

[exhawg]

I would hope that they're not stalling this thing just for football. But of course, that's why it stalled in the first place. Having Thanksgiving this week, you know most of the government workers are going to be off Thursday and Friday anyway. I don't know what all loose ends they would still need to tie up to make their decision, but surely this case has taken its time to get to this point. I don't see how they could avoid at least charging him, but who knows.

I don't think they could stall it that long. I think something has to happen this week one way or the other. IMO if he isn't guilty the cops shouldn't have sat on the case. They should have let it play out in the winter/spring and then he would be clear now. I can't imagine FSU would want to play in the BCS championship without Winston.

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

MacQuire had some time in their 80 -14 win and was 9/14 passing. 1 TD and 1 INT. They had 5 rushing TDs and 4 passing. If you meant the game outcome was in doubt, I don't understand the comment. If you meant the outcome coming from his arrest, then MacQuire should have been playing the entire second half. Seems logical to me.

Putting him in when the game is in hand is not the same as throwing him out there when it's 0-0. A little more stress.

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

I have a new thought on the state attorney waiting to charge him. The defendant has a right to an immediate trial and quick decision. I imagine that as soon as he is charged, FSU will bench him until there is an outcome, as they must have some self respect. In the interest of FSU sports (not necessarily the interest of Winston) they will ask for an immediate trial such that there will be an outcome before the championship game so that if he is innocent he will be able to play in the NC game. If he's guilty, then they are in the same position as if he was still being tried, they really can't play him (at least that is the thought). So the state attorney is getting all of their ducks in a row so that when he is charged they are prepared to go immediately to trial in case the FSU tries to pull that bullshit.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

I have a new thought on the state attorney waiting to charge him. The defendant has a right to an immediate trial and quick decision. I imagine that as soon as he is charged, FSU will bench him until there is an outcome, as they must have some self respect. In the interest of FSU sports (not necessarily the interest of Winston) they will ask for an immediate trial such that there will be an outcome before the championship game so that if he is innocent he will be able to play in the NC game. If he's guilty, then they are in the same position as if he was still being tried, they really can't play him (at least that is the thought). So the state attorney is getting all of their ducks in a row so that when he is charged they are prepared to go immediately to trial in case the FSU tries to pull that bull[Mark May].

You're high as The P-Funk All Stars if you think for a nanosecond that this is wrapped up before spring ball.

 

[Mike80]

I have a new thought on the state attorney waiting to charge him. The defendant has a right to an immediate trial and quick decision. I imagine that as soon as he is charged, FSU will bench him until there is an outcome, as they must have some self respect. In the interest of FSU sports (not necessarily the interest of Winston) they will ask for an immediate trial such that there will be an outcome before the championship game so that if he is innocent he will be able to play in the NC game. If he's guilty, then they are in the same position as if he was still being tried, they really can't play him (at least that is the thought). So the state attorney is getting all of their ducks in a row so that when he is charged they are prepared to go immediately to trial in case the FSU tries to pull that bull[Mark May].

Holy shit Donny, you've figured it all out....

meanwhile in reality....

 

[sflbuck]

I have a new thought on the state attorney waiting to charge him. The defendant has a right to an immediate trial and quick decision. I imagine that as soon as he is charged, FSU will bench him until there is an outcome, as they must have some self respect. In the interest of FSU sports (not necessarily the interest of Winston) they will ask for an immediate trial such that there will be an outcome before the championship game so that if he is innocent he will be able to play in the NC game. If he's guilty, then they are in the same position as if he was still being tried, they really can't play him (at least that is the thought). So the state attorney is getting all of their ducks in a row so that when he is charged they are prepared to go immediately to trial in case the FSU tries to pull that bull[Mark May].

You realize that this will not happen, right? There is no way any lawyer that has ever parked in the courthouse parking garage would allow this to go to trial without doing the work that this charging would merit.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

You're high as The P-Funk All Stars

at TampaBuckeyes as he Googles "P-Funk All Stars"...

 

[kujirakira]

To be honest, I'm doubting it goes forward at all.
The following is all assuming everything happened according to statements available from victim and her lawyer.
I'm assuming that just to show how, even if it happened... the case is pretty effed right now.

For starters ... prior to all this being leaked to the media and TPD shitting all over themselves... the victim was trying to just move past it. With all being dragged up again, does she want to rehash all this in a court room? Without her cooperation, the chances for the case are significantly reduced.
In the intervening months, as the TPD refused to collect any evidence or conduct any interviews on the basis that it would alert Winston -- they proceeded to inform Winston, his lawyer, FSU PD, and FSU athletic department directly.
This has effectively given Winston and his defense 6+ months to build a foolproof story. It's also taken away any chance at obtaining time-sensitive evidence.
The DNA establishes Winston was there. But that doesn't prove it wasn't consensual. Similarly, he has 2 witness affidavits from people who were allegedly present... appears to be 1 male and another female. The second male was also DNA tested -- just to cover all the bases and ensure there wasn't more to this than presented.
The only way I see this going otherwise is if they've been caught red-handed in some regards. For example, if the witness had claimed Winston was never there -- their affidavits would be subject to Impeachment evidence via DNA and ruled as unreliable witnesses (at the very least). But that does not appear to be the case, as Winston's lawyer has more or less bragged that their defense is that he had sex with her and it was consensual. Typically when you have an associate of an alleged culprit testifying as a witness, you want to obtain their testimony in the immediate aftermath so that you can compare it to their claims on the stand; and then if there are any discrepancies (such as you'd find with a concocted story), you can impeach their statements rendering them useless. But the police refused to investigate or interview witnesses. As a result, everything they say has to be taken at face value. That leaves their witness evidence in tact, and not a soul to verify her story.
In that case, the only other thing I could think of is if she was treated for bruises, lacerations, or something else at the Hospital. Something that would prove she resisted... otherwise it's 3 people's word against hers... plus the court of public opinion in Tallahassee firmly residing with Winston.

 

[Buckeye86]

tl;dr