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Jameis Winston (QB Browns)

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Ole Jimbo declares him innocent until proven guilty (ok, that's certainly fair) and then goes on to declare him innocent.

"This country is based off being innocent until proven guilty, not guilty till you're proven innocent," Fisher said. "There is no victim because there was no crime. We're convicting a guy over things that are not true, based on evidence.
"There's facts of the case and what the reports are. Public opinion wants to do what they do. They don't get what they want. ... We believe in him, 100 percent."
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
If you're Winston or Gurley, do you deal with guys who you know could have you end up being kicked out of school to make $20k, or do you take the $20k from your school in a legitimate manner? Now, we are talking about Winston here so maybe this isn't the best example, but I sure know that I wouldn't mess with that other stuff if I can get just as much in a legitimate way.
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What motivation in the least has FSU given Winston to not just go out and do whatever pleases Winston at that moment. He has no reason to even briefly consider any possible ramifications of his actions.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Man, he's going all in with Jameis. Does FSU not have a frickin' legal department to advise this guy on what to say and when to shut his mouth.
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This makes me think Jimbo knows nothing will ever come of this. If it's based on "facts" that must be proven, with a paper trail or otherwise, in a court of law or a "hearing". And if those "facts" come to light...and the state/school are handing down the "punishment"...does that leave them open to a counter lawsuit for "lost wages" because he didn't get to finish his degree?

The devil is in the details and nobody in the state of Florida has the cajones to do the job and get him booted from school. It just won't happen.
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
Yes, but one thing you're ignoring is the lack of ability to legitimately receive $$$ in return for the use of their likeness. So for now the only way to get $$$ for the use of their likeness is with dealing with these people. In my scenario they would have the ability to get $$$ legitimately.

So you're a potential first rounder, a couple of years away from millions of dollars, and you can have $20k per year and be big man on campus with a ton of cash, or you can make $40k per year (with the possibility of being kicked out of school) with a marginal amount of additional money (when comparing to what is coming down the road), and be the exact same thing. At least to me, it's a no brainer. I wouldn't jeopardize my collegiate career, and potentially those millions of dollars, to get $20k on top of my already allotted $20k.
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Well given the fact that people are doing this for a couple hundred bucks, tattoos, and other completely worthless things, who knows what idiots in the ranks of CFB will do. Sure, they see the $20k that would be offered as great, I can buy a car, live big while I am still in college, but can you really expect some of these people to ignore offers for another $20k under the table? Wait 3 years and you will be able to make millions, this has been common knowledge for a long time, yet people CONTINUE to do stupid shit for a couple hundred bucks. Some of these people see any amount of money as something better than what they have currently. They don't seem to think about their future, or at least they believe that they can get away with it and their future won't be screwed.
 
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MaxBuck said:
Like I said, it will take case law to decide whether your positions are correct. It's one thing to "come under fire" by journalistic outlets (including university law journals); it's quite another to fail as defendant, as Oscar Pistorius unfortunately proved recently.
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You must have missed the part about "Congressional investigation". It's buried in the opening line of the law journal article:

In late 2006, Congress challenged the NCAA’s tax-exempt status, questioning the organization’s lucrative commercial contracts and alleged lack of emphasis on higher education.
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Last I checked, Congress doesn't need "case law" to revoke a tax exemption.
 
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SouthernBuck said:
Well given the fact that people are doing this for a couple hundred bucks, tattoos, and other completely worthless things, who knows what idiots in the ranks of CFB will do. Sure, they see the $20k that would be offered as great, I can buy a car, live big while I am still in college, but can you really expect some of these people to ignore offers for another $20k under the table? Wait 3 years and you will be able to make millions, this has been common knowledge for a long time, yet people CONTINUE to do stupid [Mark May] for a couple hundred bucks. Some of these people see any amount of money as something better than what they have currently. They don't seem to think about their future, or at least they believe that they can get away with it and their future won't be screwed.
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Maybe Pryor and Co were stupid and only got a few hundred dollars, but if Winston and Gurley did what they are being claimed to have done they probably each got several thousand dollars. Let's say $5k for Gurley and $10k for Winston. So more than the couple hundred dollars you're using as an example (if they're getting $10-20 per signature for a few hundred items). So now let's say star players make, in a legitimate matter, $5-10k. Do you double down and risk the chance of getting kicked out of school, or do you take that and be happy? I would think that that's even on the way low end if you're a star player. I could see legitimate arguments for maybe $20k for Gurley and $50k for Winston. So do you take that plus what you can get elsewhere risking the chance of getting kicked out, or "settle" for $20k? I was once a college student, and I damn well know that $20k would be awesome. You can do so much with $20k. And if I had that in my back pocket, there's no way in hell I would jeopardize my career for an additional $10k. Or whatever the numbers may be.
 
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Bill Lucas said:
Ole Jimbo declares him innocent until proven guilty (ok, that's certainly fair) and then goes on to declare him innocent.
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$4K in damages to windows from BB gun fight? Fact
Theft from local grocery? Fact
Sex with girl that says it was rape? fact (rape or not is the only thing left to be proven)
Turrets outburst on table in front of god and the world? Fact
shit ton of authenticated autographs at the same place Gurley got in trouble with? Fact


that lines up about 5-1 in favor of facts Jimbo.
 
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The NCAA is a 501(c)(3) organization.
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Which makes it all the more heinous. The NCAA has an $18 BILLION contract with CBS for the basketball tournament. All tax free. Eighteen. Billion. Fuck football. Hoops is where it's at, apparently.

Same shit with the NFL actually. It's a 501c as well. Fuckers generate $8BB/Y, and are taxpayer funded. They could build a new stadium every year, and still makes oodles of money. Instead they put that crap on the ballot, and make future generations pay through their nose for it.

Grr. Churches too. Umm, I'm pretty sure that being tax exempt violates Separation of Church and State. The church has become the religious propaganda arm of the government. 'Be calm, quiet little sheep. Don't fight the government or stand up for your rights. Jesus is gonna rapture you to heaven and leave all those bad people behind.' except that's not how it works.

Okay, I'm done. /rant
 
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Jaxbuck said:
$4K in damages to windows from BB gun fight? Fact
Theft from local grocery? Fact
Sex with girl that says it was rape? fact (rape or not is the only thing left to be proven)
Turrets outburst on table in front of god and the world? Fact
[Mark May] ton of authenticated autographs at the same place Gurley got in trouble with? Fact


that lines up about 5-1 in favor of facts Jimbo.
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Leave Jameis alone! :sob:
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
Maybe Pryor and Co were stupid and only got a few hundred dollars, but if Winston and Gurley did what they are being claimed to have done they probably each got several thousand dollars. Let's say $5k for Gurley and $10k for Winston. So more than the couple hundred dollars you're using as an example (if they're getting $10-20 per signature for a few hundred items). So now let's say star players make, in a legitimate matter, $5-10k. Do you double down and risk the chance of getting kicked out of school, or do you take that and be happy? I would think that that's even on the way low end if you're a star player. I could see legitimate arguments for maybe $20k for Gurley and $50k for Winston. So do you take that plus what you can get elsewhere risking the chance of getting kicked out, or "settle" for $20k? I was once a college student, and I damn well know that $20k would be awesome. You can do so much with $20k. And if I had that in my back pocket, there's no way in hell I would jeopardize my career for an additional $10k. Or whatever the numbers may be.
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I am going to assume a lot of things in this post because I believe I have to make some quality assumptions in order to prove my point. I grew up in a nice neighborhood, had what I needed in life, my parents supported me, I would give up a lot to be a star player at a program like FSU, UGA, OSU, USC. And I am guessing you would too. If Urban Meyer came up to me and was like "Southernbuck, you can be a player on my team, if you don't sign autographs for money, don't do drugs, and don't do generally illegal things." Sunday through Saturday for 3 years I would eat sleep and breathe football, school, and friends. But If some weed started getting smoked or some pills started getting popped, I'm getting the fuck away from where ever I was. If someone was going to give me some money for anything, I am telling them no and walking away. Because I would consider it an honor to be in a position to go somewhere playing a sport I love.

Can I say the same about some of these players (Gurley, Winston, Bush) These guys knew/know they are going to be pro players who only had to wait a couple of years to be able to afford anything they want, yet they still want more. So no, I do not believe $20k or $50k is reasonable for them. Because in my mind I can honestly believe that they would go out buy a $50k car and then when they realize they are broke, go get some more money from under the table. People always want more than what they currently have.
 
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I hear you Southernbuck, but if you had the talent level of Jameis it might go something like this:

What if twenty five coaches came up and the first one said, "Southernbuck, you can be a player on my team, if you don't sign autographs for money, don't do drugs, and don't do generally illegal things."

And the second one said, "Southernbuck, you can be a player on my team, if you don't sign autographs for money, don't do drugs, and act like you don't do illegal things."

And the third one said, ""Southernbuck, you can be a player on my team. I heard what #1 and #2 offered. Now we need a QB like you bad, so I'm telling you, we can cover the dumb shit stuff you do, we got guys lined up to pee for you, just don't sign shit for money."

Can you just imagine what coach 25 is going to come with? A recruit at this level has been coddled by his high school and been the subject of slavish devotion by adults like you and me only to be courted by coaches making seven figure incomes and knowing that not getting this pompous 18 year old asshole can reduce me to Defensive coordinator for the Cincinnati Bearcats.

Just look at how TP played with Tress, Dick Wad, Joesus and TV for months after NLSD.
 
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