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Perusing FSU boards, they have a similar take. Except they think Jameis is being persecuted for being black. I shit you not. They think he should try to get the "black judge" because he'll empathize and understand Winston's "plight". He's such a victim... just like Joesus.
Just ignore all the insanely successful minority athletes that don't deal with any of this stuff because ... well... they're not criminoles.
The parallels between FSU and PSU are staggering.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
It should be noted that we're not talking about SCOTUS here, but state supreme court justices all of whom are either elected or appointed by the friendly folks of Florida and all of whom lived and worked in Tallahassee - but I'm sure they're open minded in a such a case...
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Taosman
Your Cousin In New Mexxico
Winston is done at FSU after Saturday. He'll leave school without testifying. There is no way that Winston's lawyer will allow Winston to give testimony at the student code hearing. That would open Winston and FSU to all kinds of lawsuits.
Ideally for us I'd like him to play and beat ND on Saturday but even that's in doubt now.
Rats!
Ideally for us I'd like him to play and beat ND on Saturday but even that's in doubt now.
Rats!
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Bleed S & G
Taking Crazy Pills
Despite what you, or any radio personality, thinks of the NCAA & amateurism... it seems really *really* black & white to me.
The NCAA isn't concerned with DUI's or legal matters of student athletes, as generally, the member institutions have rules/conduct codes to govern themselves. Unless, you're Penn State. The NCAA's place is to keep the playing field even as possible, I mean, what is the NCAA? It is the schools that make it up.
The NCAA is a 501(c)(3) organization. You don't have to be terribly smart to recognize the reason amateurism is more important than breaking the law to the NCAA. The 501(c)(3) is a tax *exempt* status. The moment the NCAA allows athletes to profit off of their likeness, and leave the realm of amateurism, all of their profit becomes taxable.
If you are the NCAA, and you want players to make money off of their own likeness; you need to lobby to change the definition of amateurism that the IRS uses, or, be prepared to make substantially less. Further, do fans really want players to be able to do this? Have people thought about the implications of boosters and money once they get past the initial knee-jerk 'the NCAA are hypocrites' reaction? What would keep Phil Knight from paying $10,000,000 for an autographed helmet from the nations #1 recruit? As Buckeyes, sure, we could enjoy Les Wexner talking Braxton into staying for another season trading a cool million dollar check, straight up, for an autographed playbook. What lengths would Bama or Texas money go to lock down the top recruiting class?
It's not as simple as letting the guys make money off their name. This is a very slippery slope.
The NCAA isn't concerned with DUI's or legal matters of student athletes, as generally, the member institutions have rules/conduct codes to govern themselves. Unless, you're Penn State. The NCAA's place is to keep the playing field even as possible, I mean, what is the NCAA? It is the schools that make it up.
The NCAA is a 501(c)(3) organization. You don't have to be terribly smart to recognize the reason amateurism is more important than breaking the law to the NCAA. The 501(c)(3) is a tax *exempt* status. The moment the NCAA allows athletes to profit off of their likeness, and leave the realm of amateurism, all of their profit becomes taxable.
If you are the NCAA, and you want players to make money off of their own likeness; you need to lobby to change the definition of amateurism that the IRS uses, or, be prepared to make substantially less. Further, do fans really want players to be able to do this? Have people thought about the implications of boosters and money once they get past the initial knee-jerk 'the NCAA are hypocrites' reaction? What would keep Phil Knight from paying $10,000,000 for an autographed helmet from the nations #1 recruit? As Buckeyes, sure, we could enjoy Les Wexner talking Braxton into staying for another season trading a cool million dollar check, straight up, for an autographed playbook. What lengths would Bama or Texas money go to lock down the top recruiting class?
It's not as simple as letting the guys make money off their name. This is a very slippery slope.
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OMG! YES! YES! YES! YES!!!
The Weather Channel reporting a TORNADO WARNING, including the FSU campus!
Please, God...Make It So!
The Weather Channel reporting a TORNADO WARNING, including the FSU campus!
Please, God...Make It So!
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AuTX Buckeye
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wtf ...I really hope this is just my coffee not having kicked in my sarcasm detector
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
I think the key is
The reality is that our whales are not going to get involved. I know the names of the inner circle of roughly the top 50 donors/foundation board members at Ohio State, and we all know who's at the top of that list. I can't think of one who has an overreaching interest in athletics or the football program. Hell, the AD just received the first 8 figure donation in its history as opposed to the several per year that the university receives. Once you get past the whole "ncaa is bad and hypocritical and so on outburst" do you really want Ohio State to get into a bidding war with places like Texas and their circle of "big cigars" like Red McComb who live and breathe for the football program or FSU or Bama which literally have NOTHING going for it except football? The last major donor that I remember as having a huge interest in football was Alex Schoenbaum, and Cooper killed him.
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But...his lawyer is saying it's going to take "weeks" for them to prepare for the hearing. As in, oh, I dunno...after the conclusion of the college football season. So, you may well get your wish after all. And given that the list of judges are all elderly local boys whose birth dates roughly coincide with the time of women getting the vote, I'm not holding out much hope there will be any serious justice handed out anyway.
Never mind. The alert's been cancelled. And sorry to disappoint, but not that sarcastic. I turned off ESPiN immediately after hearing they were tap dancing their way into a continuance of the hearing as mentioned above. My BS-supporting-corruption detector was red lining. So, the thought of a little cosmic justice being the only way to ever see that cesspit cleaned up, well, the thought brightened my day momentarily.
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UpNorth_Buckeye
Assistant Coach
I get your point, and it is a slippery slope, but your examples are not very realistic. It would be very easy to just make a very simple rule of FMV. Would an autographed playbook be sold for $1M? No? You're kicked out of school and Les Wexner is gone from any connection to the program. Autographed helmet of a HS senior for $10M actually worth $10M? No? See ya. I know you're obviously exaggerating, but it wouldn't be quite as difficult to monitor as you're stating. Plus, anyone with actual connection to a program could be disallowed to even buy something for $1. Has to be 3rd party/"regular people". Obviously regular people can have a lot of money too, but again it's easy to determine what is and what is not FMV. You could even have a system where the NCAA (or Power 5) determine what FMV is. Or assign $$$ allotment to schools based off of what they pull in in a given year and then the schools determine what % of that $$$ allotment is given to each player. Once he signs enough stuff to hit that number (let's say Braxton has a $10k amount), he can't do any more. This system would obviously favor the bigger brand teams, but that's pretty much what we've gotten ourselves into with the Power 5 to begin with. It would just cause the Bama's, OSU's, Michigan's of the world to just further distance themselves from the Northwestern's, Utah's, Kentucky's of the world.
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MaxBuck
SoCal, Baby!
Interesting interpretation of the IRS 501(c)(3) rule. It may or may not be accurate; it would be interesting to see whether the government could prevail if they were to claim that the NCAA were not an "educational" organization, which is the position I'd take if I were an NCAA attorney.
Like many other legal questions, this one is hard to figure without supporting case law.
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Bleed S & G
Taking Crazy Pills
The bigger brands will always have an advantage, scholarship limits or not, no doubt. So, we want the schools/NCAA/conferences to determine fair market value? Naturally, an autographed playbook will be worth much more in Columbus than it would be in Bloomington - I don't see how anyone, besides the market itself, can dictate market value.
Yes, my examples were meant to be extreme - but I do think this would be harder to regulate than you think. I mean, not every place is like Columbus.. you have these Stubenville's/Happy Valley's out there that will go to extreme lengths if given the opportunity I would think.
Just food for thought. Unless you want the NCAA to have even *more* regulation/power.. letting these players profit is a slippery, slippery slope.. in my IMO.
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It goes beyond just that. The schools themselves are 501(c)(3) organizations who could lose their tax-exempt status (at least in the area of athletics) if they are using professional athletes to generate profit.
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