J. Hall, C. (Pittsburgh) Brown, and T. Howard reinstated for Miami

[MaxBuck]

If a booster or somebody associated with a booster gives anyone in either of our programs a few hundred in cash and the player does not suspect that it might be improper, then we both [strike]deserve the death penalty[/strike] have problems.

If a kid is told that he is being paid by a legitimate charity for a job he is to do, that players in previous years have done, and that the activity has been cleared for a number of years in the past -- then I can understand the kid thinking he's doing nothing wrong.

The outside world can see a person as a "booster" that the kid may see only as a representative of a non-profit organization that is trying to raise funds for cancer survivors or cancer research, which seems to be the case here. The problem is that the NCAA sees many activities as "okay" that to the objective observer would see as questionable, and other activities as "impermissible" to which the objective observer would say "what the fuck?" Again, this overweening obsession with "amateurism" creates many false indicators of "corruption" that unfairly tar young men.

 

[Taosman]

The NCAA is [censored]ed about criticism of it's rulings by the media and is being "reactive" now. The have to justify their existence. They watch ESPiN!

 

[scooter1369]

I've reached a point of "I just don't give a fuck anymore". At some point, someone, anyone, has to step up and fix this shit. I don't care if its Smith, Gee, Luke, Vrable, Speils, or John Fucking Cooper. Someone, right the god damn ship.

There is course is the downside to all of this. Every school's best players are getting paid by someone. With the microscope on us, recruits will know they aren't going to get paid here anymore, and they will sign elsewhere, like say the SEC, where no one gives a flying fuck and underhanded horseshit is not just tolerated, its fucking encouraged.

I'm done with this shit. I'm done reading the articles, I'm done reading the threads. All I care about right now is what happens on the field. If the university can't fix it with the staff they have, clean fucking house and get someone who can.

 

[billmac91]

There's a much better chance that these guys thought there was nothing wrong at all with what they'd done, that they answered in a way that they thought was accurate, but that their understanding was different one from the other as to what their compensation related to.

And if that's the case, that the inept NCAA will roast their testicles over hot coals because the NCAA has no [censored]ing clue how best to handle [Mark May] like this. And that God forbid any athlete get any cash for doing even hours of charity work, but it matters not a whit that some athletes live in a palatial football dormitory in Eugene OR that would cost the average student an extra $1,000 a month to live in if they only could, but they can't because they're not Duck football players.

:teeth:

Personally, I think the NCAA has been very fair in regards to Ohio State thus far...the fact that these guys have been held out this long, says something is up to me...

According to the rumors a well know booster was in charge of the event. At said event, you have $200 hand-shakes happening...why? And why was this information just uncovered now, when this event should have been discovered months ago while investigating everything else? And how did the initial rumor start that it was gift bags and a breast cancer event, when that wasn't the case at all?

I love Ohio State as much as the next guy, but there need to be some answers at some point.

 

[Gatorubet]

There is course is the downside to all of this. Every school's best players are getting paid by someone. With the microscope on us, recruits will know they aren't going to get paid here anymore, and they will sign elsewhere, like say the SEC, where no one gives a flying [censored] and underhanded horse[Mark May] is not just tolerated, its [censored]ing encouraged.

That there is a full bucket of horse shit Scoot. I don't know if its the bizarre admission that your guys have been "getting paid" - or the assertion that "underhanded horse shit is encouraged" in the SEC.

You need to go tell your compliance guy if there is a pattern of pay-offs at tOSU, 'cause I buy that as much as I buy the fact that anyone at UF encourages underhanded horse shit.

And whatever possessed those stupid fucks at Mississippi State to turn Cam's Dad in....didn't they get that memo that underhanded horse shit was encouraged???

 

[billmac91]

That there is a full bucket of horse [Mark May] Scoot. I don't know if its the bizarre admission that your guys have been "getting paid" - or the assertion that "underhanded horse [Mark May] is encouraged" in the SEC.

You need to go tell your compliance guy if there is a pattern of pay-offs at tOSU, 'cause I buy that as much as I buy the fact that anyone at UF encourages underhanded horse [Mark May].

And whatever possessed those stupid [censored]s at Mississippi State to turn Cam's Dad in....didn't they get that memo that underhanded horse [Mark May] was encouraged???

It's just weird there are Alabama players on camera talking about Ttown's menwear getting them right for Saturday, and nobody giving a [Mark May].

I'd say that falls in line with what Scoot is saying.

I'm tired of all this garbage myself, and just wish every last detail was on the table so OSU could move on. But I also wish every other teams trangressions were out inb the open as well...

 

[Gatorubet]

It's just weird there are Alabama players on camera talking about Ttown's menwear getting them right for Saturday, and nobody giving a [Mark May].

I'd say that falls in line with what Scoot is saying.

I'm tired of all this garbage myself, and just wish every last detail was on the table so OSU could move on. But I also wish every other teams trangressions were out inb the open as well...

Right. Because Ttown menswear is "The SEC". I never said that everyone was clean as a baby's bottom. Anyone who remembered would know that I've been with you that all major programs have issues if you scratch deeply enough. But that is a far cry from saying everyone is trying to make a buck off the players - and that the players are down with that - to "the SEC, where no one gives a flying [censored] and underhanded horse[Mark May] is not just tolerated, its [censored]ing encouraged."

But I note the tone poem shift from the "we are as pure as driven snow...unlike you SEC programs" to the "everybody gets paid and the NCAA looking at us will drive our paid guys off" stance.

I don't buy the first one, and I'm not buying the second. I have some sympathy for what you are going through, as we went through it in the 1980s until 1990. We dodged Tank Black in the 1990s. But we have run a pretty good ship since the 1980s. You cannot tell me that your program does not as well. tOSU turned in Tress for God's sake! But some failures does not equal a lack of wanting our programs to be as clean as possible, and it sure as [Mark May] does not equate to either one of us "encouraging" bad behavior. That's what [censored]es me off.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Now I'm confused. When Alabama wins the title, the SEC won it. Isn't that how it works?

 

[scooter1369]

That there is a full bucket of horse shit Scoot. I don't know if its the bizarre admission that your guys have been "getting paid" - or the assertion that "underhanded horse shit is encouraged" in the SEC.

You need to go tell your compliance guy if there is a pattern of pay-offs at tOSU, 'cause I buy that as much as I buy the fact that anyone at UF encourages underhanded horse shit.

And whatever possessed those stupid fucks at Mississippi State to turn Cam's Dad in....didn't they get that memo that underhanded horse shit was encouraged???

I don't think even you believe this shit anymore. The SEC is as crooked as the day is long but no one gives a fuck but the other conferences because they're tired of seeing your sorry asses constantly getting away with it. I still have family in Florida but it wouldn't break my heart to see everything south Athens, Ohio just get swallowed by the Earth anymore. You all fucking suck

 

[sepia5]

Now I'm confused. When Alabama wins the title, the SEC won it. Isn't that how it works?

Only the good; never the bad.

 

[billmac91]

Right. Because Ttown menswear is "The SEC". I never said that everyone was clean as a baby's bottom. Anyone who remembered would know that I've been with you that all major programs have issues if you scratch deeply enough. But that is a far cry from saying everyone is trying to make a buck off the players - and that the players are down with that - to "the SEC, where no one gives a flying [censored] and underhanded horse[Mark May] is not just tolerated, its [censored]ing encouraged."

But I note the tone poem shift from the "we are as pure as driven snow...unlike you SEC programs" to the "everybody gets paid and the NCAA looking at us will drive our paid guys off" stance.

I don't buy the first one, and I'm not buying the second. I have some sympathy for what you are going through, as we went through it in the 1980s until 1990. We dodged Tank Black in the 1990s. But we have run a pretty good ship since the 1980s. You cannot tell me that your program does not as well. tOSU turned in Tress for God's sake! But some failures does not equal a lack of wanting our programs to be as clean as possible, and it sure as [Mark May] does not equate to either one of us "encouraging" bad behavior. That's what [censored]es me off.

What about the Pouncey situation?

It just happens everywhere. There are sharks in the water at every program where players can get a lick on the side if they chose to find it.

Again, I think some posters have made valid points, that for Ohio State to get to where it wants to be perception-wise, needs to be stricter than any other program in the country. That would concern me as a potential recruit. Not because I am looking for handouts, but b/c the slightest mistake or mis-step could cause a 3 game suspension, whereas in Alabama, Ole Miss, formerly Miami, etc. those issues would go unchecked.

Scoot was definitely being hyperbolic, but his overall point has some merit, IMO.

 

[jwinslow]

And whatever possessed those stupid fucks at Mississippi State to turn Cam's Dad in....didn't they get that memo that underhanded horse shit was encouraged??

yeah, that is a tough one

 

[scooter1369]

yeah, that is a tough one

No it aint. It would be tough if Auburn had self reported. Conference rivals turning each other in is also part of SEC culture. Or has the Tennessee/Alabama issue been forgotten?

 

[BB73]

I'm done reading the threads.

No it aint. It would be tough if Auburn had self reported. Conference rivals turning each other in is also part of SEC culture. Or has the Tennessee/Alabama issue been forgotten?

Scooter 'Means' business.

 

[Gatorubet]

What about the Pouncey situation?

What exactly what about?

It just happens everywhere. There are sharks in the water at every program where players can get a lick on the side if they chose to find it.

We're just agreeing with each other here.

Again, I think some posters have made valid points, that for Ohio State to get to where it wants to be perception-wise, needs to be stricter than any other program in the country. That would concern me as a potential recruit. Not because I am looking for handouts, but b/c the slightest mistake or mis-step could cause a 3 game suspension, whereas in Alabama, Ole Miss, formerly Miami, etc. those issues would go unchecked.

There is nothing remotely supportive of that train of thought. Might as well say if you do something wrong you can still play in your bowl game at tOSU. Neither of those conclusions are supportable.

Scoot was definitely being hyperbolic, but his overall point has some merit, IMO.

Never said he did not have a good point or two, just that saying that cheating is "encouraged" in the SEC is letting his frustrations run away with his logic.