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Is this the future of college football?

zincfinger;1919440; said:
That was Binghamton, not Birmingham. And you wouldn't do away with anything, because all those players would try their hardest to get into major college programs (rather than being consigned to playing in an empty municipal stadium for $40K/year), and all the schools would be trying their hardest to bring them in (rather than allowing their talents to go to waste in some empty municipal stadium for $40K/year).

I'm not saying that the Bobby Lowder's of the world wouldn't try and outbid the d-league. The players themselves, uhhh not so much. A lot of them hate having to go to college, and I don't see them fighting to get in. Why deal with under the table benefits, having to go to class, live in a dorm etc. when they could just simply play football, get paid for it (more than most of them have ever seen in their lives) and go out and bang townie chicks at night.

Sorry, but I don't see the Nick Fairleys of the world turning that down in favor of perpetuating the student-athlete sham somewhere, particularly if entry into the NFL is a quicker route via the d-league than a mandatory three year wait in some university.
 
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zincfinger;1919440; said:
That was Binghamton, not Birmingham. And you wouldn't do away with anything, because all those players would try their hardest to get into major college programs (rather than being consigned to playing in an empty municipal stadium for $40K/year), and all the schools would be trying their hardest to bring them in (rather than allowing their talents to go to waste in some empty municipal stadium for $40K/year).

How would their "talents go to waste?"
 
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LordJeffBuck;1918757; said:
Every year I become less and less of a sports fan - as sports becomes more of a business, more of an industry, more of a commodity, it becomes less entertaining. ESPN fuels the society of the spectacle, but we created it, and we want more. But I'm sick of it all, and pretty soon, I just won't care at anymore....

Perhaps the finest post I have read in a long time. I too have become somewhat jaded by the business mentality that has swept over the sports world. It has now trickled into the one thing that I have always loved and valued, college football. Yes, it's a product of the society we live in today.... The nostalgia that I have for the sport and all of the historic value that I have put in it has started to become eroded. Mind you, I certainly realize that this whole ongoing debacle is just a chapter in a phenomenal book that has collectively been written over the past century or so. My worry is that the constant selling out will lead to the great traditions of our past becoming terribly watered down, and tomorrows games meaning much less to me. Maybe it's just me getting older and having other things to worry about (outside of sports) or maybe it's me, bit by bit, losing interest in the sport I grew up loving...due to the gotcha journalism and corporate takeover.

I sure hope not.
 
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Why on earth would the NFL have an interest in starting their own farm system? There's one already in place that costs them zero time or effort.

Does anybody think colleges & universities are simply going to abandon this system? I don't think any of the institutions with major programs are principled enough to walk away from this kind of money.

Besides, I don't think it would have any impact on misconduct if the most talented and least academically-invested players ended up in a professional minor league instead of college. College football programs and their hangers-on would simply turn their favors and illicit money toward whoever the next-best players are that remain. We'd go from a world where Cam Newton is getting cash and Terrelle Pryor is getting free tattoos to a world where Taylor Graham and Stephen Garcia are getting major inducements instead.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1919443; said:
A lot of [players] hate having to go to college, and I don't see them fighting to get in. Why deal with under the table benefits, having to go to class, live in a dorm etc. when they could just simply play football, get paid for it (more than most of them have ever seen in their lives) and go out and bang townie chicks at night.

Sorry, but I don't see the Nick Fairleys of the world turning that down in favor of perpetuating the student-athlete sham somewhere,
For the reasons I mentioned previously. Playing in a massive, packed stadium, on national television, vs. playing in a mostly empty municipal stadium on local television. Being something of a hero around town, vs. being generally unknown. And yes, the money (I estimated previously that it would be around $40K/year, approximately the average for a AAA baseball player) would be decent, and more than a lot of the guys would have seen before. But when you factor in the basic living expenses that you wouldn't have to pay were you on the college team, it wouldn't be very much. Finally, banging townie chicks vs. banging football-groupie college girls. I'm sure a few HS players, who truly hated the prospect of having to take classes and being told what to do off the field would go the minor league route, but I think most, including most of the top-rated players, would not. For good reason.

That is, unless...
ORD_Buckeye;1919443; said:
particularly if entry into the NFL is a quicker route via the d-league than a mandatory three year wait in some university.
Of course, if the NFL made a new rule that you had to wait three years if you went to college, but didn't have any mandatory waiting period to make it to the NFL as long as you went to the minor league, that would change things, at least for the guys who felt certain they were NFL caliber. But the NFL would never do that. There's no way NFL GM's want to get into the business of drafting HS football players. It's hard enough to guess whether a 17 year old HS offensive lineman is going to be good enough to play in the BigTen in 2-3 years. Can you imagine trying to determine whether a 17 year old HS offensive lineman is good enough to play in the NFL in 5-6 years. It can't be done. I'm sure the NFL likes it just fine that colleges currently develop those players for 3-4 years, and the NFL scouts get to evaluate them when their 21-22, rather than 17-18. And absent waiver of the 3-year rule, there's very little incentive for a HS player to go that route, in my view.

Even if the three year rule were waived, I'm not sure many high schoolers would go that route. Because I suspect even most 17 year old kids would be realistic enough to know that there would be no earthly way they'd make it up to the big league in fewer than 3 years or so.

The only other thing, in my view, that would likely make an NFL-farm minor league a viable option for a decent number of upper echelon high school players, would be if college admissions offices no longer gave admissions credit for being a great athlete. Such that some of the really good high school players wouldn't be able to get into most Universities.

buchtelgrad04;1919574; said:
How would their "talents go to waste?"
Because most guys who went straight to the hypothetical minor league would probably never play in the NFL. And when their playing careers ended, they would have a few years of living la vida loca to show for it, and not much else. No money saved, no degree, no support network, nothing. In contrast, a guy who played football at, say, Oklahoma for four years, even if he was a lousy student, would have some decent options. The guys who go to the minor leagues, who aren't mortal locks for the NFL, would be wasting their talents because they'd be exchanging their talent for something of transient value (a few years of having some cash in their pocket and having fun), rather than exchanging their talent for something of permanent value (a college degree and, more importantly, the resume boost and support network that comes with being "ex player on the big University football team"). Put it this way; if you're a former Buckeye who never made it to the pros and graduated with a 2.1 GPA, someone's probably going to hook you up with a far better job than what your educational background merits. If you're a former Binghamton Mauler who never made it to the NFL, you're operating a jackhammer on I-90.
 
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zincfinger;1919621; said:
If you're a former Binghamton Mauler who never made it to the NFL, you're operating a jackhammer on I-90.

Most work on interstates would be prevailing wage. Seeing as how prevailing wage is somwhere around thirty bucks an hour, they'd be looking at making 62,400 a year, gross. Just sayin'.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1919443; said:
Sorry, but I don't see the Nick Fairleys of the world turning that down in favor of perpetuating the student-athlete sham somewhere, particularly if entry into the NFL is a quicker route via the d-league than a mandatory three year wait in some university.


While I appreciate and fully approve of a dig at Nick Fairley - the flaw in the D League idea is that it probably doesn't guarantee a better prepared player than the NCAA D1 or FCS Model.

Schools have access to top of the line weight training, conditioning, rehab and nutritional resources. Not to mention access to the best coaches in America.

Perhaps the young men don't want to fully commit to their education, but it would difficult for them to turn away from all the athletic development opportunities at the NCAA level. Even if they were getting paid.
 
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BUCKYLE;1919653; said:
Most work on interstates would be prevailing wage. Seeing as how prevailing wage is somwhere around thirty bucks an hour, they'd be looking at making 62,400 a year, gross. Just sayin'.

You're getting robbed, dude. That should be an operator rate, maybe class 4. Including fringes, that $40.45 an hour.

http://www.com.ohio.gov/laws/PWComplaintInstructions.aspx

:highfive:
 
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BUCKYLE;1919653; said:
Most work on interstates would be prevailing wage. Seeing as how prevailing wage is somwhere around thirty bucks an hour, they'd be looking at making 62,400 a year, gross. Just sayin'.
True enough, being a state road construction worker might be more lucrative than a lot of jobs that call for a bachelor's degree. Nevertheless, I think for a lot of people it's going to be advantageous to have a university degree and, probably more importantly, a university football program network, than to not have those things.
 
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Buckeye513;1919669; said:
God bless America.
I honestly didn't mean that to be smart-alecky or cynical. I don't really have a problem with a guy getting a little extra consideration for having been a football player (although it can probably be overdone in some cases). And honestly, playing D1A football is probably better real job training (for some jobs) than are some of the bachelor's degrees a person can get.
 
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zincfinger;1919676; said:
True enough, being a state road construction worker might be more lucrative than a lot of jobs that call for a bachelor's degree. Nevertheless, I think for a lot of people it's going to be advantageous to have a university degree and, probably more importantly, a university football program network, than to not have those things.
Which is even more ridiculous that taking advantage of said system is a fucking recruiting pitch...but just remember kids, wait till your out of school to collect shit you don't deserve. While you're in school, you can't even cash in on shit you do deserve. Wouldn't want San Diego State to think they don't have a fair shot at landing a player of your skill. :lol:
 
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BUCKYLE;1919680; said:
Which is even more ridiculous that taking advantage of said system is a fucking recruiting pitch...but just remember kids, wait till your out of school to collect shit you don't deserve. While you're in school, you can't even cash in on shit you do deserve. Wouldn't want San Diego State to think they don't have a fair shot at landing a player of your skill. :lol:
I never meant to say they don't "deserve" it (although I'm sure you could find cases where that's probably true - but you could find cases of that in any situation). Regardless, I'm not sure I'd agree with your contention that, because college football players essentially get professional benefits of one sort or another after they graduate, they should formally be made into professional football players while they're in school.
 
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zincfinger;1919688; said:
I never meant to say they don't "deserve" it (although I'm sure you could find cases where that's probably true - but you could find cases of that in any situation). Regardless, I'm not sure I'd agree with your contention that, because college football players essentially get professional benefits of one sort or another after they graduate, they should formally be made into professional football players while they're in school.

Your contention, to begin with, was that the players were better off going to college because of the network of favortism that would develop on their behalf in college. If not, they're runnin' a jackhammer on I-90, right?

My contention wasn't to say they should because they will. My contention is that the NCAA is a crock of shit. Their rules are shit. Their leadership are hypocrits, as is their enforcement department, which almost exlusively relies on schools reporting their own guilt, then punishing them, is bullshit. They have no real power...until they hand down sentence. I do, however, believe the student athletes are entitled to a little more than they get now. If anyone has earned it, it's them.
 
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