Iowa 24, Penn St. 23 (Final)

[BB73]

You are correct in that a separate component was removed. However, strength of schedule is included implicitly in the formula. TSUN beating Minny also hurt us yesterday.

That stuff simpply doesn't matter if tOSU and USC both win out, as expected. In that case, tOSU will get an at-large bid to a BCS bowl unless Oregon State also wins out and goes to the Rose Bowl, since they own the tie-breaker with USC.

The 2-team rule per conference limits the available teams. There's no way the Big East or the ACC gets a 2nd bid over a 10-2 tOSU. And only USC from the Pac 10 would be selected as an at-large bid ahead of a 10-2 tOSU, and that only happens with Oregon State winning out.

And the BCS isn't going to take both Utah and Boise State ahead of a 10-2 tOSU, based on fan base and TV ratings.

So if tOSU wins out, they need either an MSU win over PSU (giving tOSU the Rose via the head-to-head tiebreak), or an Oregon State loss in their last 3 games to put a 1-loss USC in the Rose Bowl, and tOSU in either the Fiesta or Sugar. Oregon State plays Cal, at Arizona, and Oregon in their last 3 games.

BCS style points won't factor in for tOSU if they win out - they won't matter. And it doesn't matter if tOSU is 8th, 9th, 10th, or 11th in the BCS standing today.

 

[jwinslow]

Eerily Similar to Minnesota in 99

Can't help but think how eerily similar this loss was to Minny in 99. This from the Altoona Mirror this morning.
Saturday's loss will rank right up there with the devastating 1999 defeat against Minnesota, which pulled off a shocking upset to knock No. 2 Penn State out of national championship contention.
Here are some quirky similarities between the two games:
- Both contests ended up with a final score of 24-23.
- Minnesota won on a 32-yard field goal with 2 seconds left. Iowa won on a 31-yard field goal with 1 second left.

Plus, Penn State was 9-0 going into both games. Let's just hope that PSU doesn't lose the last two of the season like 99. In my opinion, I think PSU is going to come out and destroy Indiana and Michigan State. I think the pressure really got to the team, especially Clark.

 

[gost8]

I am thinking we will be #10 in the AP, Coach's and Harris Polls and also #10 in the BCS unless Georgia jumps us then #11. Probably about where we will stay.

pretty much nailed that one although I don't like Georgia jumping us for barely beating Kenturkey

 

[ScriptOhio]

A distraught quarterback Daryll Clark choked back tears as he spoke after the game. It was his fourth-quarter interception, only his third of the season, that ended what once had been a promising Penn State possession late in the game. The Nittany Lions went from having a first down at the Iowa 23 to a third-and-24 from the 37 after a holding call against guard Rich Ohrnberger.
On third down, Clark overthrew an open Derrick Williams, producing the Tyler Sash interception that began Iowa's winning field-goal drive.
"I want to apologize to the whole Penn State nation for my play today," Clark said. "I take full responsibility for that loss."

Entire article: PSU title hopes dashed - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

The local Harrisburg paper is calling that PI call "questionable" and "debatable". Now I know where their idiot fans get it from.

 

[Bucklion]

A lot of PSU fans comparing this collapse to Minnesota '99, when they were also 9-0.

You'd think they'd steer clear of such comparisons, given what happened afterwards.

I completely disagree with that assessment. Minnesota won that game on a fluke double-deflection on 4th and 16. Penn State absolutely gave this one away, even AFTER getting the roughing the punter break. Plus that one in 1999 was at home...I don't think Iowa wins that game on the road this year.

I'd say this is, well, hmmm...Penn State was citing the 2005 team themselves, so I'll go with that...lots of impressive victories, but losing in the final second on the road to a mediocre team. Much more like 2005, I imagine, though I bet they'll get smoked in a bowl by a good opponent instead of beating a crappy one like Florida State.

 

[Buckeye Nut]

we lose a lot on D next year.

Not really. We lose one guy off the defensive line, two linebackers and one guy from the secondary. We lost nine starters two years ago and still had the number scoring defense in the country. We've always been a team that just reloaded on defense. I'm really not very concerned at all with the defense for next year.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Losing Malcolm Jenkins alone is losing a lot. Throw in Laurinaitis and Freeman and that's a lot more. Throw in the possibilities of one or more junior DBs and it's a lot more. Throw in the fact that our DLine isn't exactly great.....you get the idea.

 

[Buckeye Nut]

Losing Malcolm Jenkins alone is losing a lot. Throw in Laurinaitis and Freeman and that's a lot more. Throw in the possibilities of one or more junior DBs and it's a lot more. Throw in the fact that our DLine isn't exactly great.....you get the idea.

So we lose Jenkins, big deal. We lose great players every year and somebody else always steps up and becomes that next great player, especially at corner. Chimdi Chekwa and Donald Washington will be just fine as a cornerback duo not to mention a young player or two always emerges. Both safties are back plus Hines and I'd be shocked if either left early since they wouldn't be highly drafted. Sure Freeman and Laurinaitis are good, but we lost Hawk, Carpenter and Schlegel after '05, we'll be fine there we always have guys waiting to step up at linebacker. I don't think either one of those guys are having outstanding years anyway. Defensive line loses one guy so we're going to be at least as good as we are this year, but I'm hopeful that with there being more depth next year guys will step up and the defensive line will emerge as a strength which would make it easier for our young linebackers early in the year. Defense is the least of my worries for this team next year.

 

[Jake]

That stuff simpply doesn't matter if tOSU and USC both win out, as expected. In that case, tOSU will get an at-large bid to a BCS bowl unless Oregon State also wins out and goes to the Rose Bowl, since they own the tie-breaker with USC.

The 2-team rule per conference limits the available teams. There's no way the Big East or the ACC gets a 2nd bid over a 10-2 tOSU. And only USC from the Pac 10 would be selected as an at-large bid ahead of a 10-2 tOSU, and that only happens with Oregon State winning out.

And the BCS isn't going to take both Utah and Boise State ahead of a 10-2 tOSU, based on fan base and TV ratings.

So if tOSU wins out, they need either an MSU win over PSU (giving tOSU the Rose via the head-to-head tiebreak), or an Oregon State loss in their last 3 games to put a 1-loss USC in the Rose Bowl, and tOSU in either the Fiesta or Sugar.

That's it in a nutshell. The only thing I would add was Orange Bowl representatives attended our game at Northwestern, so that's another potential option.

We win, Oregon State loses, we're in the BCS.

 

[jwinslow]

We don't have a replacement for Laurinaitis. We don't have a replacement for Jenkins. Chekwa retains his current gig, he can't be counted among the replacements, though I like his game. Washington may depart.

All of a sudden, Abdallah is a bigger loss than anticipated. Not just for his play, but his fire and passion. Can OSU supply a strong 2nd DT to go with Heyward? Can Gibson & Williams become complete defensive ends? These are critical to handling a juggernaut named USC.

Fortunately, OSU has some incredible young talent to utilize. Sabino, Rolle, Bell, Hines, Williams, Howard, hopefully Goebel, Wells, Domicone, etc. But there are a lot of holes to fix, and that SC game is very early.

We lost nine starters two years ago and still had the number scoring defense in the country. We've always been a team that just reloaded on defense. I'm really not very concerned at all with the defense for next year

We didn't reload in 06, we did a great job rebuilding, but that D benefited greatly from the offense. Laurinaitis, Freeman and many others were strong vs the pass, but gave up big chunks on the ground. Blitzing the opposition with Troy & co, the opposition was forced to play from behind and pass.

 

[tonystarx]

The local Harrisburg paper is calling that PI call "questionable" and "debatable". Now I know where their idiot fans get it from.

"Bradley also recalled that a roughing-the-punter call against Iowa kept alive the previous Penn State possession"

If anyone should be complaining about blown calls it's Iowa. That call was a real crime against them. The PSU punter's foot comes down and barely clips the Iowa player's shoulder and he does this big pirouette and comes crashing down to the ground, effectively earning the flag. I hate watching the acting jobs these punters put on to get these calls. And the refs go for it every time. If penalties could be reviewed that one should be at the top of the list because of the acting that goes into it and the effect it has on the game's outcome.

 

[Buckeye Nut]

We don't have a replacement for Laurinaitis. We don't have a replacement for Jenkins. Chekwa retains his current gig, he can't be counted among the replacements, though I like his game. Washington may depart.

All of a sudden, Abdallah is a bigger loss than anticipated. Not just for his play, but his fire and passion. Can OSU supply a strong 2nd DT to go with Heyward? Can Gibson & Williams become complete defensive ends? These are critical to handling a juggernaut named USC.

Fortunately, OSU has some incredible young talent to utilize. Sabino, Rolle, Bell, Hines, Williams, Howard, hopefully Goebel, Wells, Domicone, etc. But there are a lot of holes to fix, and that SC game is very early.
We didn't reload in 06, we did a great job rebuilding, but that D benefited greatly from the offense. Laurinaitis, Freeman and many others were strong vs the pass, but gave up big chunks on the ground. Blitzing the opposition with Troy & co, the opposition was forced to play from behind and pass.

I'll have to see the defense be bad before I buy into it. We've got too many solid players waiting in the wings to fill the couple voids we have for me to see there being much of a drop. Yeah we might get torched against USC, but the last few defenses have as well against elite teams. I can buy the '06 defense being helped by the offense, but that defense also had a lot more holes to fill than we will next year. They had to replace the entire back 7. I think next year's will be right there with the defenses of the past few seasons.

 

[buckeyesin07]

The local Harrisburg paper is calling that PI call "questionable" and "debatable". Now I know where their idiot fans get it from.

Let me guess--the local Harrisburg papers have no problem with the roughing the kicker penalty called on Iowa in the fourth quarter. That had to be one of the worst calls I've ever seen--any contact at all (which was minimal) was due to the punter. After the flag was thrown, yet prior to the ref making the call, I thought they're either going to pick this one up or call running into the kicker, as there was no way that was roughing the kicker. PSU got just about every break a team could this season, yet still couldn't go undefeated. Talk about a team living on borrowed time...

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

So we lose Jenkins, big deal.

I seriously stopped reading after this.