OH10;1509301; said:
Maybe if you actually made some points worth responding to other than "get your head out of your ass." F. Lee fucking Bailey could stand in front of a jury and make a compelling argument and lose the case with some shit like "get your head out of your ass."
I made plenty of points. Picking through my posts and finding little nuggets that you don't deem worthy of being called a "point" is pretty awesome of you. I've been saying the same thing over and over again in this thread. Considering how little I've posted in this thread, they're fairly easy to find.
And you did rely on the ESPN winner/losers. Otherwise, what's this little nugget about:
What incentive does ESPN have to destroy Ohio State? None. Doesn't mean they deserve credibility for doing. You can't pick and choose when you want to rely on an outlet.
That little nugget is something I call information that supports my opinion. You don't see that? I found someone else who agreed with my point of view. I guess I'll tell you exactly what I meant by the "incentive" part of my post since you obviously don't get it.
Why the fuck would they include the Indians, one of the worst teams in baseball, on a list that called them trade winners when they just got rid of two of the biggest players moved at the deadline? Maybe they did actually do pretty well in the fucking trades. Did that ever cross your mind? Or is it too much of a problem for me to find someone else who agrees with me who happens to work for ESPN? Apparently it's a problem. A team that loses (arguably) its two best players is not going to look like a winner. Yet they were listed there. Maybe they didn't do so bad after all.
Or maybe they did!
We'll find out in a couple years. That was the point of the trades.
No one ever said we could. But I actually agreed with Shapiro when he said he'd need to be "blown away" by a deal before shipping Lee and Victo. I don't call whiffing on the Phillies top 3 prospects getting "blown away." (and please stop quoting the preseason rankings - this season, Carrasco has sucked donkey cock in AAA). We needed at least one of those guys the Jays requested. We got none. That's a whiff.
I agreed with Shapiro when he said that too. "Whiffing" on the top three prospects is not the same as whiffing on a trade completely. Jesus Christ.
And what other rankings am I supposed to use? Read NFBuck's posts too, he brings up good points as well, only he doesn't seemed to be annoyed beyond belief at the ignorance being spewed in this thread about some of these trades. As he's said a few times, stats don't tell the whole story. They're in the minors trying to prepare themselves for the majors. Plenty of players have sub-par stats in the minors and come up and do better in the majors. They work on their pitches in the minors. And mechanics. etc
That's is not a "point." It's a generalized statement designed to ... really... say nothing other than you disagree with the sentiment that the trade was bad. No one said we got nothing. We didn't get equal value... not close IMO. The Cavaliers could trade Lebron James for Dirk Nowitzki and they would have received "something," but we'd all agree it was piss-poor value. That's what these trades were.
Yeah, it is a generalized statement. I'm glad you picked that quote out of all of the posts I've made on this topic. Relevant.
Did you even make any other points? Or attempted "points?" Please respond with something other than "get your head out of your ass." You sound like one when you have nothing else.
Yep. They're pretty fuckin' easy to find, too. We traded our two best players for prospects who have a lot of potential. Some think we got solid value out of them. I'm in that camp. Others think we should've received even better talent out of the trades. I think if we could've received better talent, we would've received it. I've been saying the same god-damn thing since the Cliff Lee trade went down. It's not like I haven't been making it obvious what my position is.
I might as well say this again, too. I didn't think the trades were awesome. I thought they were fair. Was I disappointed that we didn't get more? Yep. Am I irate that we didn't get more? Nope. Potential is what they're going after and they did well with it.
I'm done arguing with you.
What we got > what we'd get in the offseason or next year > nothing. What we did was best for the future.
