Indians Tidbits (2009 season)

[NFBuck]

masterson is hardly filler. he's the best arm out of cleveland's pen as of right now. he's been a little messed up from being a starter/pen guy going back and forth. he's a #3 or #4 starter if they get him more consistent.

the fact that victor is in an absolute offensive nosedive killed whatever small chance there was that cleveland could get buckholz.

You may be right about Masterson, and yeah, he's at least a capable middle relief guy. All I have to go off of is stats and the few times I've seen him pitch. I was just never impressed.

But yeah, Victor's nosedive since May probably was an impeding factor.

giving the indians an extra 1st round pick is like giving one to the oakland raiders. cleveland is far better off taking the somewhat established minor league talent.

No shit. An extra draft pick with this current regime is the equivalent of giving Rosie O'Donnell a tittie job.


*Edit* At least we're not the Reds. They just traded Encarnacion and one of their top prospects for 35 year old Scott Rolen. Holy shit. The curse of Marge Schott is a strong one.

 

[itownbuckeye]

Wow 9 Mil, that's a shitload of money for a #1 starter.

I assume you're being sarcastic. Unfortunately, the club is seemingly broke so $9 million is a lot of money. I think the fact that the team had to move these contracts really killed their leverage. They should have been negotiating from a position of strength but the financial woes really handcuffed them. The thing that drives me crazy is that someone gave the okay for the Kerry Wood contract. I assume the budget came from someone above Shapiro. I actually was happy about the signing at the time but if I had known about the financial irresponsibility involved I would have been irate. Without the Wood signing maybe they still have to sell on one or both of Cliff & Victor but they surely could have driven a harder bargain.

 

[Brutus1]

giving the indians an extra 1st round pick is like giving one to the oakland raiders. cleveland is far better off taking the somewhat established minor league talent.

Now you've crossed the line !!!!! The Raid................ who am I kidding Darius Heward-Bay and Mike Mitchell.

I think they got a good pick with Lonnie Chisenhall. He'll be a good one, wherever position they move him to.

 

[itownbuckeye]

Now you've crossed the line !!!!! The Raid................ who am I kidding Darius Heward-Bay and Mike Mitchell.

I think they got a good pick with Lonnie Chisenhall. He'll be a good one, wherever position they move him to.

Think they are pretty much set with keeping Chisenhall at 3rd. Alex White seems to have some good upside too, if they spend the money to sign him.

 

[NFBuck]

Without the Wood signing maybe they still have to sell on one or both of Cliff & Victor but they surely could have driven a harder bargain.

That Wood contract is going to go down as one of the biggest blunders for a franchise full of big blunders.

Think they are pretty much set with keeping Chisenhall at 3rd. Alex White seems to have some good upside too, if they spend the money to sign him.

Next year will be the litmus test as to whether they're turning the corner from a decade of atrocious drafting. Barring a miracle, they're gonna be picking #1 overall for the first time in I don't know how long. Anybody know how next year's draft is shaping up talent wise?

 

[Brutus1]

They're not gonna catch the Nationals for worst record in the MLB.

That's too bad because Bryce Harper will be in the draft and has been called by alot of people , one of the best hitting prospects ever. Go to youtube and put in his name to see some mammoth homers at Tropicana Field (as a Soph in HS I think).

While there's no concensus #1 pitcher, there are still alot of good ones.

 

[NFBuck]

They're not gonna catch the Nationals for worst record in the MLB.

That's too bad because Bryce Harper will be in the draft and has been called by alot of people , one of the best hitting prospects ever. Go to youtube and put in his name to see some mammoth homers at Tropicana Field (as a Soph in HS I think).

While there's no concensus #1 pitcher, there are still alot of good ones.

I thought the #1 pick alternated between AL and NL...also thought Harper wasn't going to be allowed in next years draft?

 

[OH10]

Shapiro must drive a hard bargain...



If you want an All Star/Cy Young winner and don't want to give up a prized prospect in return, please call Mark Shapiro at 216-BAD-DEAL.

 

[NFBuck]

Shapiro must drive a hard bargain...



If you want an All Star/Cy Young winner and don't want to give up a prized prospect in return, please call Mark Shapiro at 216-BAD-DEAL.

Took you long enough.

 

[OH10]

Took you long enough.

It just seems like its no coincidence that other teams have been unwilling to deal for the players the Indians are taking. And we're not giving up chopped liver here.

The team we have left is a shell of the 2007 team, less than two years removed from that disastrous 3-1 chokejob. How does that happen????

 

[NFBuck]

It just seems like its no coincidence that other teams have been unwilling to deal for the players the Indians are taking. And we're not giving up chopped liver here.

What other team's are you referring to? The Blue Jays? That's one team who wanted immediate impact players in return for one of the best pitchers in the game. Sorry, for as good as he is, Cliff Lee isn't near one of the best pitchers in the game. He allows way too many hits and i prone to some very bad outtings. Not to mention his attitude has never been the best. We got a decent return for him with at least three players who may very well be contributors down the line and another very young guy who scouts rave about. I don't know why so many Cleveland fans insist that Cliff Lee is on par with Halladay. He isn't in the same zip code. As for Victor, he's been awful since May. His future is as a 1B and his production is very average for that position. Teams don't part with top prospects like they used to. That's why Halladay is still wearing a Jays uniform. Now, before you say we should have held on to Cliff, ask yourself what good that does. Next year, this team isn't going to be competitive. All Cliff (and VM for that matter) does is take you from a 95 loss team to maybe an 85 loss team. Maybe you get even less in return for them next year, and getting draft picks for them with the way this organization drafts is fucking pointless. I'm not thrilled with the haul, but I understand it. With all these moves, we've gone from having a decent to mediocre farms system to a very good one stocked from top to bottom.

The team we have left is a shell of the 2007 team, less than two years removed from that disastrous 3-1 chokejob. How does that happen????

Injuries, bad FA signings, inability to resign the ace, a relatively dry farm system and a baboon manager.

Short term: I guess we'll get Andy Marte's last stand at 1B now. With Victor gone, that clears the path for him to play. May as well see what we have there. Hopefully LaPorta isn't far off from being recalled. May as well get Brantley up in the next couple weeks as well.

 

[3074326]

It just seems like its no coincidence that other teams have been unwilling to deal for the players the Indians are taking. And we're not giving up chopped liver here.

We're not exactly getting chopped liver either.. just because the Blue Jays wanted to be "blown away" by an offer for Halladay doesn't mean that everyone should expect to be blown away by offers for people who aren't the best at their position in the game. Halladay is the best pither in baseball. Cliff Lee is not. These teams wouldn't trade their best players for Halladay. Why should we expect to get them for Lee? We aren't getting scrubs.

The Indians are getting a lot of potential back. Lots of young, talented players.

Not saying that these trades are awesome. Just saying that some of you guys need to chill the fuck out.

 

[buckeyemania11]

lets see here

Bryan Price- 45th overall selection in the 08 draft, 6'4 200 22 years old, 3-2 2.45 ERA 1.11 WHIP 40K/12BB in 44 AA innings (8 starts)

Nick Hagadone- 55th overall selection in the 07 draft, 6'5 230 23 years old, 0-2 2.52 ERA 1.08 WHIP 32K/14BB in 25 AA innings

Justin Masterson- 6'6 235 24 years old, 3-3 4.50 ERA 1.35 WHIP 67K/25BB in 72 MLB innings this season (6 starts with scattered relief appearances)

 

[NFBuck]

lets see here

Bryan Price- 45th overall selection in the 08 draft, 6'4 200 22 years old, 3-2 2.45 ERA 1.11 WHIP 40K/12BB in 44 AA innings (8 starts)

Nick Hagadone- 55th overall selection in the 07 draft, 6'5 230 23 years old, 0-2 2.52 ERA 1.08 WHIP 32K/14BB in 25 AA innings

Justin Masterson- 6'6 235 24 years old, 3-3 4.50 ERA 1.35 WHIP 67K/25BB in 72 MLB innings this season (6 starts with scattered relief appearances)

I was hoping they would go VM for Buckholz straight up, but I guess that's not a bad haul at all. Especially considering how bad VM has been the past two months.

 

[aurorabuckeye13]

They're not gonna catch the Nationals for worst record in the MLB.

That's too bad because Bryce Harper will be in the draft and has been called by alot of people , one of the best hitting prospects ever. Go to youtube and put in his name to see some mammoth homers at Tropicana Field (as a Soph in HS I think).

While there's no concensus #1 pitcher, there are still alot of good ones.

There is no rotation, its just the team with the worst record... also Bryce Harper is going to a junior college or something like that next season and skipping his senior year so he can go in the draft.