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Indians Tidbits (2009 season)

buckeyemania11;1506040; said:
Rob Bradford at WEEI is reporting that the Red Sox are close to a deal that would net Cliff Lee from the Indians for Michael Bowden, Josh Reddick and another prospect. Stay tuned.

Shapiro is a [censored]ing idiot if he pulls the trigger on this trade IMO and should be fired ASAP if it goes down

that is a [censored] poor haul for a pitcher of Lee's caliber
I know from an outrageously great source... that if Boston included Bowden or Reddick (not sure what my source said.. thought he said Bowden)... this deal was done... and he relayed this to me yesterday... impeccable source...
 
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MLB trade deadline buzz: Wednesday's edition - FOX Sports on MSN

Sounds like there's a chance this thing could get done today.

Phillies seem like the most likely destination but the Dodgers may make a late push.

The reported trade offer looks to be: Cliff Lee and possibly another player for Class A right-hander Jason Knapp, Class AAA right-hander Carlos Carrasco, shortstop Jason Donald and catcher Lou Marson.

Not sure how to feel about this one, would have liked to see Michael Taylor, Dominic Brown, or Kyle Drabek somewhere in the deal but each of those 4 guys looks to have huge potential despite their stats in the minors at the moment.
 
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AmeriBuck007;1506492; said:
MLB trade deadline buzz: Wednesday's edition - FOX Sports on MSN

Sounds like there's a chance this thing could get done today.

Phillies seem like the most likely destination but the Dodgers may make a late push.

The reported trade offer looks to be: Cliff Lee and possibly another player for Class A right-hander Jason Knapp, Class AAA right-hander Carlos Carrasco, shortstop Jason Donald and catcher Lou Marson.

Not sure how to feel about this one, would have liked to see Michael Taylor, Dominic Brown, or Kyle Drabek somewhere in the deal but each of those 4 guys looks to have huge potential despite their stats in the minors at the moment.

That's as good an offer as their gonna get. The Phils don't want to part with Drabek for Halladay, so that's a pipe dream. Carrasco is their 2nd best prospect (coming into the season) per baseball america, Donald 3rd and Marson 4th. You can't ask for much better than that. All three of them are potential everyday players...well, Carrasco every 5th day obviously.

Downside is that Carrasco still needs some development and we know how the Tribe does "developing" pitchers.
 
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NFBuck;1506500; said:
That's as good an offer as their gonna get. The Phils don't want to part with Drabek for Halladay, so that's a pipe dream. Carrasco is their 2nd best prospect (coming into the season) per baseball america, Donald 3rd and Marson 4th. You can't ask for much better than that. All three of them are potential everyday players...well, Carrasco every 5th day obviously.

Downside is that Carrasco still needs some development and we know how the Tribe does "developing" pitchers.

Knapp is supposed to be the centerpiece of the trade. 6'5'' not even 19 years old yet. Has the potential to be a Halladay clone apparently.

Problem is none of these guys look to be ML ready next year or maybe even the year after.
 
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NFBuck;1506500; said:
That's as good an offer as their gonna get. The Phils don't want to part with Drabek for Halladay, so that's a pipe dream. Carrasco is their 2nd best prospect (coming into the season) per baseball america, Donald 3rd and Marson 4th. You can't ask for much better than that. All three of them are potential everyday players...well, Carrasco every 5th day obviously.

Downside is that Carrasco still needs some development and we know how the Tribe does "developing" pitchers.

I think this would be a terrible trade. Yes, those guys were rated highly at the beginning of the season but Carrasco, Donald & Marson have all regressed. Also, you have to factor in that the Tribe has young players at the positions played by Donald & Marson. I've heard that Knapp had some shoulder fatigue which makes me leary of building a package around him. As of now, the Phillies top 3 prospects are Brown, Taylor & Drabek (Knapp - 4th). No way they should be able to get a #1 pitcher on a reasonable contract without giving up any of their top prospects. The Tribe shouldn't have to trade Lee this year so I say if this is the best they can come up with then you walk away. Keep Lee and take a shot at contending next year. If it falls apart then you deal him at next year's deadline for a package that will probably be in the same ballpark as this one.
 
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itownbuckeye;1506529; said:
I think this would be a terrible trade. Yes, those guys were rated highly at the beginning of the season but Carrasco, Donald & Marson have all regressed. Also, you have to factor in that the Tribe has young players at the positions played by Donald & Marson. I've heard that Knapp had some shoulder fatigue which makes me leary of building a package around him. As of now, the Phillies top 3 prospects are Brown, Taylor & Drabek (Knapp - 4th). No way they should be able to get a #1 pitcher on a reasonable contract without giving up any of their top prospects. The Tribe shouldn't have to trade Lee this year so I say if this is the best they can come up with then you walk away. Keep Lee and take a shot at contending next year. If it falls apart then you deal him at next year's deadline for a package that will probably be in the same ballpark as this one.

They share the same concerns over on the indians board and think the offer is bogus. At the very least i'd like to see Knapp, Carrasco, and Taylor in a deal. I think that would be worthy of pulling the trigger. We'll see what happens
 
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itownbuckeye;1506529; said:
I think this would be a terrible trade. Yes, those guys were rated highly at the beginning of the season but Carrasco, Donald & Marson have all regressed. Also, you have to factor in that the Tribe has young players at the positions played by Donald & Marson. I've heard that Knapp had some shoulder fatigue which makes me leary of building a package around him. As of now, the Phillies top 3 prospects are Brown, Taylor & Drabek (Knapp - 4th). No way they should be able to get a #1 pitcher on a reasonable contract without giving up any of their top prospects. The Tribe shouldn't have to trade Lee this year so I say if this is the best they can come up with then you walk away. Keep Lee and take a shot at contending next year. If it falls apart then you deal him at next year's deadline for a package that will probably be in the same ballpark as this one.
There is 0% chance of that happening. They are struggling financially and major upgrades are needed in both the rotation and bullpen...which they can't afford to make.

Teams just aren't parting with top prospects like they used to. Hell, the Yankees are hesitant to deal Phil Hughes who has already flamed out a couple of times at the MLB level. Carrasco has a lot of upside, as does Donald. Marson, if nothing else could be a safety valve on the slim chance something happens to Santana...or even future trade bait. There seems to be conflicting reports on Knapp's inclusion, but if he's in, it's a slam dunk. Four solid prospects is almost unheard of today.

The market for Cliff isn't going to be any better next year, plus you run the risk of injury or him turning back into "bad Cliff". Unless a better offer comes along, you take it and don't look back.
 
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NJ-Buckeye;1506547; said:
Whichever of these two (Michael Bowden, Josh Reddick) is the stud .. if he gets put on the table by Boston... either Lee or Martinez is gone.. thought I heard Boston wants Victor

Sounds like Boston is primed to make a run at Halladay now that the Phillies seemed focused on Lee.

But it does appear Martinez will be dealt as well. Hoping they can turn around Martinez with one of the prospects they receive from the Phillies and get Buchholz but that seems unlikely

MetsBlog.com ? Buzz: Indians looking to trade Victor Martinez
 
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