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I stand with Jim Tressel - How Firm Thy Friendship

BrutusBobcat;1887359; said:
Ord, my dad knew Vernon Alden and Charles Ping very well. I can fill you in on all of that administrative and BoT inside baseball you love so much. We'll have you sounding like an expert within a week.

The female alumni base is also stunning, btw. :pimp:

Ha Ha. Gotta love Vern Alden: the third wheel to Rhodes and Millett. He played the loyal shield carrier for them and then watched Millett send all the spoils to Oxford.
 
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I was asked to repeat here a post I put elsewhere. I'm honored to - BuckeyeMike80 has done a wonderful thing in starting this thread. Brief background - an article was cited by someone else (they're easy to find) slamming Jim Tressel and calling him in essence a "smarmy cheater."

MaxBuck;1889520; said:
The juxtaposition of "smarmy," "cheating" and "odor" is amusing, to say the least.

Bottom line for me personally? I've realized that I now regard violation of NCAA rules in much the same way that I regard violations of minor traffic laws. If you can get away with them without being caught, OK by me. (All right, that's not entirely true, but bear with me for a bit.)

In all seriousness, as the parent of a D1 athlete I believe firmly that collegiate athletics is a wonderful thing that provides the opportunity for young men and women to get a college education when otherwise they might not be able to. And I know for sure that college athletes are put onto a pedestal much less high than would have been the case in the 1950s, thanks to our cynical modern society. Sportswriters seem to get an especially firm stiffy when they get the chance to opine that Big College Sports is corrupt, venal, dirty, and [insert insulting and demeaning adjective here]. But they couldn't be more wrong - collegiate athletics are terrific, and they expand the educational mission of the universities in myriad wonderful ways.

Here's the deal: I observed when a high-school girls' track team (not one I cheered for, BTW) was forced to forfeit a meet they won because one of the girls wore a black sports bra under her singlet instead of a white one, as required by OHSAA rule. The wrong color sports bra. Granted, this was not tats-for-jerseys, but still - how bad was it? It was a rule set by a governing body of student athletics.

I have to admit I got a tear in my eye when I watched The Journey on BTN during the feature on Darius Morris, the young Wolverine hoopster whose best friend from HS died in January of this year from complications from numerous congenital conditions. And also during the feature on Brett Valentyn of Wisconsin, a walk-on sharpshooting guard whose big sister attends a few home games in her wheelchair (she also has been struck by several nasty congenital diseases that have sapped her strength and robbed her of her vision). The young cripples were inspired and given joy by the chance to see their heroes (best friend and brother, respectively) play, getting vicarious thrills by the athletic achievements of those players. What an ennobling and edifying experience college sports can be - and usually is.

Now, does Tressel's violation mean he has feet of clay? Yep, he sure does. But remember King David? God's favored was a pretty slimy dude in many ways; his good points, though, were enough to put his foibles well in the background in the grand scheme of things. No doubt Jim Tressel is going through some soul-searching, being told by the Powers That Be that he has done Really Bad Things by putting NCAA rules at too low a level of significance in his system of priorities.

But NCAA rules may not, in fact, be the most important thing to concern yourself with when you're charged with the lives of young men who, in many cases, come from pretty tough backgrounds. And who are likely to make selfish decisions that could run them afoul of the NCAA rules. And who, if you could sweep the minor stuff under the rug, would not come out of the experience less well-prepared for life After Buckeye.

This no doubt comes off sounding to many like a massive rant of self-delusion and inappropriate justification; maybe it is. But I have a new perspective on just how important NCAA rules are in the grand scheme of life - and that is, IMO, really not very. What's more important than those rules is whether the young men and women who leave your program are well-prepared to face life with the skills they need in order to make a difference. Based on what I've seen, Jim Tressel measures up about as well in this regard as any coach in college athletics. And maybe that's the conclusion E. Gordon Gee has come to as well.

"Smarmy?" Yeah, maybe JT is, a little. But "excellent," "caring," and "other-centered" too, without any doubt. Maybe that's what I care about most when I see a coach, and maybe I'm willing to put up with a few NCAA shenanigans if the coach we have exemplifies those virtues.

GO BUCKS! And Jim Tressel, I remain feeling proud and privileged that you are our head coach.
 
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Many years ago as a clerk at one of the top labor/employment law firms in the country I sat in on a meeting of several partners in which the hypothetical question was asked, "what would be the right course of action, if, as counsel to a major privately held company that had a zero tolerance drug use policy, you were told that a VP, the son of the owner, had tested positive for drug use?" The litigators in the room answered that they would follow policy to the letter, notify the appropriate parties, and take disciplinary action. The response of the labor lawyers (who had far more experience day to day on-site with industrial clients) was to haul the son in on the carpet, and make it clear that he had one chance to knock the shit off so as not to cause embarrassment to his father and the company and to avoid punitive action.

My take that day and since is that the easier course of action may be to follow the letter of policy which may or may not actually, in a given circumstance, support the principles for which such policies were enacted. Sometimes doing the right thing requires that one break rules or choose not to apply them. The threat of discipline later for such action shouldn't (and here clearly didn't) dissuade one from doing the right thing. Heavy is the head that wears the crown. It is easy to criticize from the sidelines.
 
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Mr. B Defends Coach T

By MrBucknuts
[email protected]
Posted Mar 13, 2011

He takes on Buckeye Nation hypocrisy, Erin Andrews, the SEC and other demeaned icons in an all-new Bucket.


WE TRUST IN TRESS
A lot of statements have been made this past week so I am making one on behalf of myself and the Bucknuts staff:
We trust in Tressel.
Sometimes it can be that simple. You invest in a man and not in a plan. You are either on the bus or off the bus. Life can be binary, after all. There is no equivocating here at Bucknuts. We love the guy and everything else then becomes secondary in consideration. Coach, you have our support - for what that is worth to you.
At Bucknuts, you could probably lose your job if you don?t take on the coaching staff for their foibles and shortfalls. It is also likely you could lose your job if you question ? around me - Jim Tressel?s character. I know the guy and this is not theory. The man has proven himself long enough that those questions of character and integrity ? areas that aren?t really negotiable ? are not in the mix for me.
Cont...
 
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Obviously, this is speculation, but Brandon Castel makes some interesting observations regarding more recent statements from Tressel and the things he did and did not say:

http://www.the-ozone.net/football/2011/Tresselaffair/tresselspecutlation.html

Thinking back to the original presser back in December, a number of people didn't like the way that compliance was "tossed under the bus" for supposedly not teaching the players about that particular rule. Now we have some ambiguity as to whether or not Tressel did in fact pass the emails along. In an earlier post in this thread, I assumed that he did not, though that's based on information from the NCAA letter and not any statements Tressel has made directly.

I haven't bought into the theory that he's falling on his sword to protect the university, but I am really starting to suspect that there's a strong possibility that Coach T is not the only person on OSU's payroll to know about this.

If there were such eagerness to pin the blame initially on compliance, why make the coach take the hit this time? Is it because the earlier self-reporting was a lie, or is it because Tressel really did repeatedly lie to the rest of the athletic department? I am having trouble believing that, because I am inclined to think a lot of what ORD had posted -- if your football coach is hiding info from the AD and President, no matter what his won-loss record is, he's not long for keeping his job.

We already know what the coach knew and when he knew it. Now I'm wondering what did the AD know and when did he know it?
 
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Speculation

BrutusBobcat;1892189; said:
Obviously, this is speculation, but Brandon Castel makes some interesting observations regarding more recent statements from Tressel and the things he did and did not say:

http://www.the-ozone.net/football/2011/Tresselaffair/tresselspecutlation.html

Thinking back to the original presser back in December, a number of people didn't like the way that compliance was "tossed under the bus" for supposedly not teaching the players about that particular rule. Now we have some ambiguity as to whether or not Tressel did in fact pass the emails along. In an earlier post in this thread, I assumed that he did not, though that's based on information from the NCAA letter and not any statements Tressel has made directly.

I haven't bought into the theory that he's falling on his sword to protect the university, but I am really starting to suspect that there's a strong possibility that Coach T is not the only person on OSU's payroll to know about this.

If there were such eagerness to pin the blame initially on compliance, why make the coach take the hit this time? Is it because the earlier self-reporting was a lie, or is it because Tressel really did repeatedly lie to the rest of the athletic department? I am having trouble believing that, because I am inclined to think a lot of what ORD had posted -- if your football coach is hiding info from the AD and President, no matter what his won-loss record is, he's not long for keeping his job.

We already know what the coach knew and when he knew it. Now I'm wondering what did the AD know and when did he know it?

When I first saw the presser, I thought Coach T wanted to answer the question about sharing the email and was about to say "yes, Gene Smith knew" but for whatever reason was silenced thereby taking full responsibily to avoid the appearance of a wider knowlegde and potential perception of a greater fault. If they all knew, then the violation looks worse. How many hours did it take to respond to the email (4?). Plenty of time to walk down the hall, knock on Gene's office door, talk about it, and come back and send a response. Of course this avoids forwarding the email to the AD and also avoids the email trail. This is also all speculation on my part.

All this being said, I stand by the coach. It appears he his taking all the blame for this possibly to avoid a higher degree of scrutiny of the university and football program.
 
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How firm thy friendship?

Summer's heat or winter's cold
The seasons pass the years will roll

And through it all Ohio State will take some shots, kids will make mistakes, spring will return to the Oval, great Buckeye minds will change the world, and somewhere on campus there will be a building under construction.

Already OSU regroups and begins anew. Spring practice is in the books and we are looking to pay this pain FORWARD on our foes next season.

The headlines will linger a bit longer, and while this stain may never come fully clean, it won't change my view and appreciation for Jim Tressel and my alma matter. The ambulance chasers and slop feeding media will continue to try and get a meal ticket off of this story for as long as they can rattle their chains..but they will soon enough give way and Ohio State will remain. There will be new recruits, new triumphs, new points of pride to fade the stain and replace the worms that feed on it with achievement and, yes, character.

The drum beats of hollow judgement will be replaced also by 1,000s of high school seniors from around the world considering their first day on campus with nervous excitement. All of them checking campus maps without having yet discovered the joy of a well highlighted used book, swimming mirror lake, Texas straw hat in the commons, or the true beauty of cheap wing night. They may not 'get it' yet, but they sense the impending moment and a part of them is being defined. Not just for the duration of any media spite storm, or just for the instant that Dorsey's last pass fluttered to the turf, but rather, for life.

And here I stand enjoying my place in the tapestry. Living the traditions that millions over time have cherished and passed on. How very fortunate to be a Buckeye; and I do not waiver.

In the clearing stands a boxer, and a fighter by his trade
and he carries the reminders
of every glove that laid him down
or cut him till he cried out in his anger and his shame.

We will take this forward with us, own it, and not fade. ESPN, scandalous media outlets, and morons like Mark May will crow and dismiss, but The Ohio State University is bigger than any of them.

The fighter still remains.

What will ESPN say about Ohio State as Matta continues to rewrite OSU basketball's identity? What will they say when we rally around our football coach and find a way to win our first five games, only to then watch us lay waste to all comers when we are again full strength? What will they giggle about when Pryor is demolishing all comers down the stretch and in the spotlight of BCS greatness come next January? I honestly don't know, but better yet, I really don't care and no longer thirst for their support or platitudes. I am an alumnus of The Ohio State University and retain enough arrogance from that association to dismiss their distant opinion and replace it with the truth that I know first hand. Collectively we are more than they could ever dream or aspire to be. They are background noise. They are taking their best shot and in the end it is only going to serve to make OSU better.

We have been here before...and emerged. Woody, O'Bie, Mo C, Troy Smith: they wagged their tongues and spoke of the demise of what has been assembled in the name of The Ohio State University. Yet here we are and OSU will still be here when those that judge us are rendered back to the soil from which they came. When they have faded from memory - Ohio State will still stand.

If I could tell them all just ONE thing it wouldn't be 'I told you so.' Rather it would be:
CHAMPIONS BLEED SCARLET AND GRAY.

If on seas of care we roll
Neath blackened sky or barren shoal
Thoughts of thee bid darkness go
Dear Alma Mater...O-HI-O!
 
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HINYG8;1913060; said:
Summer's heat or winter's cold
The seasons pass the years will roll

And through it all Ohio State will take some shots, kids will make mistakes, spring will return to the Oval, great Buckeye minds will change the world, and somewhere on campus there will be a building under construction.

Already OSU regroups and begins anew. Spring practice is in the books and we are looking to pay this pain FORWARD on our foes next season.

The headlines will linger a bit longer, and while this stain may never come fully clean, it won't change my view and appreciation for Jim Tressel and my alma matter. The ambulance chasers and slop feeding media will continue to try and get a meal ticket off of this story for as long as they can rattle their chains..but they will soon enough give way and Ohio State will remain. There will be new recruits, new triumphs, new points of pride to fade the stain and replace the worms that feed on it with achievement and, yes, character.

The drum beats of hollow judgement will be replaced also by 1,000s of high school seniors from around the world considering their first day on campus with nervous excitement. All of them checking campus maps without having yet discovered the joy of a well highlighted used book, swimming mirror lake, Texas straw hat in the commons, or the true beauty of cheap wing night. They may not 'get it' yet, but they sense the impending moment and a part of them is being defined. Not just for the duration of any media spite storm, or just for the instant that Dorsey's last pass fluttered to the turf, but rather, for life.

And here I stand enjoying my place in the tapestry. Living the traditions that millions over time have cherished and passed on. How very fortunate to be a Buckeye; and I do not waiver.

In the clearing stands a boxer, and a fighter by his trade
and he carries the reminders
of every glove that laid him down
or cut him till he cried out in his anger and his shame.

We will take this forward with us, own it, and not fade. ESPN, scandalous media outlets, and morons like Mark May will crow and dismiss, but The Ohio State University is bigger than any of them.

The fighter still remains.

What will ESPN say about Ohio State as Matta continues to rewrite OSU basketball's identity? What will they say when we rally around our football coach and find a way to win our first five games, only to then watch us lay waste to all comers when we are again full strength? What will they giggle about when Pryor is demolishing all comers down the stretch and in the spotlight of BCS greatness come next January? I honestly don't know, but better yet, I really don't care and no longer thirst for their support or platitudes. I am an alumnus of The Ohio State University and retain enough arrogance from that association to dismiss their distant opinion and replace it with the truth that I know first hand. Collectively we are more than they could ever dream or aspire to be. They are background noise. They are taking their best shot and in the end it is only going to serve to make OSU better.

We have been here before...and emerged. Woody, O'Bie, Mo C, Troy Smith: they wagged their tongues and spoke of the demise of what has been assembled in the name of The Ohio State University. Yet here we are and OSU will still be here when those that judge us are rendered back to the soil from which they came. When they have faded from memory - Ohio State will still stand.

If I could tell them all just ONE thing it wouldn't be 'I told you so.' Rather it would be:
CHAMPIONS BLEED SCARLET AND GRAY.

If on seas of care we roll
Neath blackened sky or barren shoal
Thoughts of thee bid darkness go
Dear Alma Mater...O-HI-O!


:oh::io:
 
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