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I HATE Christmas

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Brewtus;2277169; said:
I don't think Christianity will disappear entirely anytime soon, but I do see it evolving in the next 100 years or so into something that is very different than what we see today. Something like 30% of people under age 30 don't associate themselves with any religion so Christianity will have to somehow reinvent itself to get more young members or risk dying off.

And Christmas is turning into more of a secular holiday not only due to the commercialism of it but also because society as a whole is becoming less Christian and Christians in general are becoming less devout.
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Well that's going to be the big question for sure, where does Christian faith in America go from here, up or down? More or less devout? I see a lot of different Christian church relationships that seem as strong as ever, and these are people that are generally breeding a lot and passing on their faith big-time. There are new churches popping up, and filling up, all over the place, and I bet there won't be many open seats on Christmas Eve in most places. No open spots in the daycares either.

AK makes a good point that Easter is really THE Christian holiday, but I think most American Christians have a deep and genuine religious connection to "the winter holiday" that celebrates the life of Christ.

But hey, I'm a traditionalist, honestly as a dad I'd love the whole Christmas thing even without the church stuff. It only makes sense that as humans we should be partying at the darkest time of the year, and I'm a big fan of all the olde Victorian trappings, and getting fun stuff for the kids. Shopping online is the way to go, and the season is full of opportunities to "be merry" :cheers:

So happy Christmas, one way or another!
 
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BayBuck;2277277; said:
More or less devout? I see a lot of different Christian church relationships that seem as strong as ever, and these are people that are generally breeding a lot and passing on their faith big-time.
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All but one of the atheists I know in Alabama have Christian parents.
 
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Brewtus;2276943; said:
At its core that may be true, but Christmas now has turned into a 6 week secular holiday. Very little of what's celebrated at Christmas (Santa, elves, Christmas trees, reindeer, eggnog, light displays, stockings, mistletoe, candy canes, etc.) has any relevance to the birth of Christ. And if you want to go far enough back, the holiday season is really a Roman pagan celebration (Saturnalia) and only in the 4th century did some Christian leaders decide to make Dec. 25 the official birthday of Christ in an attempt to convert the pagans to Christianity.
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The feast of the Son of Isis preceded Saturnalia in Babylon, eating, drinking and gift-giving were part of the celebration. Scandinavia celebrated Yule, symbolic of the pagan Sun God Mithras, mistletoe was seen as a sign of fertility, and evergreen trees were brought in doors as a reminder that crops would grow again after the harsh winters. When people talk about the "true meaning of christmas" it really comes down to who you are asking. What we have today is an amalgamation of various festivals, even if some are unaware of it or choose to ignore it.

Meanwhile, back to the topic, I still think it's a pain-in-the-ass shopping spree. :wink2:
 
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Jake;2277302; said:
The feast of the Son of Isis preceded Saturnalia in Babylon, eating, drinking and gift-giving were part of the celebration. Scandinavia celebrated Yule, symbolic of the pagan Sun God Mithras, mistletoe was seen as a sign of fertility, and evergreen trees were brought in doors as a reminder that crops would grow again after the harsh winters. When people talk about the "true meaning of christmas" it really comes down to who you are asking. What we have today is an amalgamation of various festivals, even if some are unaware of it or choose to ignore it.

Meanwhile, back to the topic, I still think it's a pain-in-the-ass shopping spree. :wink2:
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Makes sense Mr. Grinch :lol:
 
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Brewtus;2276943; said:
At its core that may be true, but Christmas now has turned into a 6 week secular holiday. Very little of what's celebrated at Christmas (Santa, elves, Christmas trees, reindeer, eggnog, light displays, stockings, mistletoe, candy canes, etc.) has any relevance to the birth of Christ. And if you want to go far enough back, the holiday season is really a Roman pagan celebration (Saturnalia) and only in the 4th century did some Christian leaders decide to make Dec. 25 the official birthday of Christ in an attempt to convert the pagans to Christianity.

I choose to celebrate a secular Christmas which means spending a day or two before the 25th with family and friends and exchanging a few gifts. But I agree with the others who hate this time of year. I generally don't like people anyway but this time of year is even worse. Everyone is so uptight, the malls, traffic and restaurants/bars are way too crowded and I'm sick of hearing xmas songs everywhere for 1 1/2 months. And the 25th is the worst day of all - the only place open is movie theaters and all the bars are closed on the day when I really need to get out of the house for a good night of drinking.
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There is only "One reason for the Season". God loves you even if you choose not to accept it. With that said, His forgiveness is great, but so is His wrath.
 
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djtidebuck;2277376; said:
God granted us free choice. If you choose not to believe what is your end game?
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There is no end game. This is the misunderstanding that is the easiest to clear up. Atheists don't believe in things that you can't substantiate i.e. a god, or a soul, or an afterlife or any other realm of consciousness, hence, no end game.
 
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WyoBuck;2277410; said:
There is no end game. This is the misunderstanding that is the easiest to clear up. Atheists don't believe in things that you can't substantiate i.e. a god, or a soul, or an afterlife or any other realm of consciousness, hence, no end game.
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Oh yes, there is an end game.
 
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