Holbrook to Retire (Merged)

[FKAGobucks877]

First, Tibor is only trying to stir the pot. Second, I'm glad it took so many replies before someone responded to him...

As for Holbrook, she sucks, and I hate her. Can anyone name anything that she actually did, herself? As in, her idea, her initiative, her fundraising? At least, outside of the research BS? I can't. All she did was sit on her ass and piss off students and alumni while the programs and initiatives of her predecessors were implemented and carried out. Her complete ignorance and lack of respect for the traditons of this great university were the basis of my opinion for her, and her obsession with research, along with her mishandling of football fans (the issues mentioned already, such as ticketing alumni, donors, etc., as opposed to focusing on the real problems) and her obvious stupidity insofar as treating students like people really finalized my opinion. Her best move was quite possibly showing up to her first football game with the Penn State fans...that was brilliant, and just goes to show how ignorant she is where tOSU tradition is concerned.

 

[BuckeyeRyn]

good riddance to her....

 

[StooGrimson]

You have no idea what you missed. The southside bars were the ultimate spot for anyone 18+ and they used to rope off High Street to contain the massive crowds. Hell, even Tibor was probably getting laid.

The "ultimate spot"? Uh...no. Those places (Papa Joes not included...well, it was trashy, but it was a great trash heap) were absolute dumps. They were an eyesore and a constant source of embarrassment for OSU. The school is much better for having lost the bars in that area.

 

[buckeyefool]

The "ultimate spot"? Uh...no. Those places (Papa Joes not included...well, it was trashy, but it was a great trash heap) were absolute dumps. They were an eyesore and a constant source of embarrassment for OSU. The school is much better for having lost the bars in that area.

I would agree. They were trashy places to go, and the university probally got lucky no one got hurt when papa joes burned down. The things that are in place now aremuch nicer for students and give you choices of places to go rather than dive bar after dive bar ( not that I didn't have fun in those bars).

On Holbrooke, she really had little to do with the whole gateway district it was already in place long before she came along. Gee was actually the first President who started working with teh community to get the area cleaned up, and rightfully with the age of the buildings it was determined that tearing the whole place down and starting over made more sense then just cleaning it.

Holebrook became a pr nightmare for the school, as the legend of how evil she was outgrew any good she may have really done. I think the writing was on the wall when she pissed of Wexner. Admiting in a newspaper article that she never watched the football games didn't help, it doesn't matter if you watch them of not......but know where you bread is buttered and at least act like you care about football, because that is how you are going to get the most money from most of OSU's Alumni base. The perception become that the only time you heard from Holbrook was when she was telling the students what an embarassment they were, be it the Texas Game incident, the incident with the racist groups in the Marion campus, or just the General look of disdane she had towards people in general. She upset the local media on several occasions for no showing for interviews when she said she would be there, which didn't help her gain any support from them either. Overall I don;t think she did as much damage as she has been made out to do, but I don't think anyone will be sad to see her go either.

 

[scooter1369]

I would agree. They were trashy places to go, and the university probally got lucky no one got hurt when papa joes burned down. The things that are in place now aremuch nicer for students and give you choices of places to go rather than dive bar after dive bar ( not that I didn't have fun in those bars).

On Holbrooke, she really had little to do with the whole gateway district it was already in place long before she came along. Gee was actually the first President who started working with teh community to get the area cleaned up, and rightfully with the age of the buildings it was determined that tearing the whole place down and starting over made more sense then just cleaning it.

Holebrook became a pr nightmare for the school, as the legend of how evil she was outgrew any good she may have really done. I think the writing was on the wall when she pissed of Wexner. Admiting in a newspaper article that she never watched the football games didn't help, it doesn't matter if you watch them of not......but know where you bread is buttered and at least act like you care about football, because that is how you are going to get the most money from most of OSU's Alumni base. The perception become that the only time you heard from Holbrook was when she was telling the students what an embarassment they were, be it the Texas Game incident, the incident with the racist groups in the Marion campus, or just the General look of disdane she had towards people in general. She upset the local media on several occasions for no showing for interviews when she said she would be there, which didn't help her gain any support from them either. Overall I don;t think she did as much damage as she has been made out to do, but I don't think anyone will be sad to see her go either.

Well, which is it?

 

[BayBuck]

Gee was actually the first President who started working with teh community to get the area cleaned up, and rightfully with the age of the buildings it was determined that tearing the whole place down and starting over made more sense then just cleaning it.

Gee was the man. He was such a people person, which I think is so important for that position: I probably shook his hand and had brief conversations about half a dozen times just walking around campus as a student. And my grandma had a serious crush on him and his bowties.

 

[cincibuck]

I'm torn by the announcement. In terms of sports, I know I'm treading on some sore toes on this board, but IMO the tailgate scene has grown out of control in some parts of the campus area. Holbrook had the courage to take the issue on. During her tenure she never wavered in her support of the AD and the Athletic Department. She stuck with Tressel and Gierer (sp) in the MoC mess and helped get O'Brien out.

Academically, she has done much to raise the reputation of the school and that's where part of my conflict comes in.

What's the purpose of a public university? I was always proud of the fact that OSU only promised you a chance. If 30% of all freshman classes were weeded out, so what? At least they had the chance to prove themselves.

When SI revealed that Andy Katzenmoyer regained his elgibility by taking aids education, golf and underwater basket weaving I could say, so what? If he met the criteria to be admitted, then it's the same criteria all students at OSU have met.

When a certain Heisman Trophy winner from "The Harvard of the West" had a microphone stuck in his face and couldn't speak in complete sentences you know he was not admitted under the same program as others at the school.

I firmly believe that OSU could be open to all Ohio students and still establish strong academic programs for the best. If we can attract star athletes, there's no reason why we can't also attract star scholars if we use the money at our access to do so. It's a matter of wills.

To try and become a public Ivy, like Michigan, to say you're willing to only work with the top students in your state seems to me to be walking away from your charter and covenant with the Ohio taxpayers.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

but know where you bread is buttered and at least act like you care about football, because that is how you are going to get the most money from most of OSU's Alumni base.

That's a myth. Study at after study have shown that winning sports programs do not effect university fundraising. For example last year Ohio State took in 3 times as much money in private donations as the entire athletic department's budget.

If you really want to get an insider's opinion about that issue, read Andy Geiger's interview for Ohio State's oral history project.

https://kb.osu.edu/dspace/handle/1811/5920

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I'm torn by the announcement. In terms of sports, I know I'm treading on some sore toes on this board, but IMO the tailgate scene has grown out of control in some parts of the campus area. Holbrook had the courage to take the issue on. During her tenure she never wavered in her support of the AD and the Athletic Department. She stuck with Tressel and Gierer (sp) in the MoC mess and helped get O'Brien out.

Academically, she has done much to raise the reputation of the school and that's where part of my conflict comes in.

What's the purpose of a public university? I was always proud of the fact that OSU only promised you a chance. If 30% of all freshman classes were weeded out, so what? At least they had the chance to prove themselves.

I firmly believe that OSU could be open to all Ohio students and still establish strong academic programs for the best. If we can attract star athletes, there's no reason why we can't also attract star scholars if we use the money at our access to do so. It's a matter of wills.

To try and become a public Ivy, like Michigan, to say you're willing to only work with the top students in your state seems to me to be walking away from your charter and covenant with the Ohio taxpayers.

Here's where I disagree with you on several reasons. Ohio State is the flagship university of the state, and the state's only real national research university. Every C+ student in the state does not have some inalienable right to come to Ohio State. Leaving Miami (which we've passed for admissions selectivity) out of it, that still leaves 11 public four year universities, plus branch campuses, plus a community college system. If some kid can't prove himself in high school, then he has other options. If it is so important for that kid to become a Buckeye, then he needs to take responsibility for his failures, go somewhere else for a year or two then transfer to Ohio State.

Also, when funding is so ridiculously low, why should Ohio State have to devote resources for the inevitable remedial programs to attempt to bring these kids up to speed, knowing full well that the vast majority of them will never graduate.

I'm slightly familiar with the arguments that Ed Jennings and Herb Asher used with the legislature to undo Jim Rhodes' open admissions policies and here are the major ones:

1) The remedial issue. Why is the state of Ohio paying for remedial education at its flagship campus, when they are already funding it at the community colleges.

2) Brain Drain. Seeing as Rhodes was in office for so long, Ohio State had twenty years of data showing that high ability high school graduates increasingly left the state during this period.

3) Faculty Recruitment. Ohio State had an increasingly hard time competing against other B10 schools for new facutly because of open admissions.

4) It hurt the dumbasses themselves. Marginal students that came to Ohio State under open admissions were far less likely to ever complete an undergraduate degree than similar students that went to less demanding campuses.

 

[buckeyefool]

That's a myth. Study at after study have shown that winning sports programs do not effect university fundraising. For example last year Ohio State took in 3 times as much money in private donations as the entire athletic department's budget.

If you really want to get an insider's opinion about that issue, read Andy Geiger's interview for Ohio State's oral history project.

https://kb.osu.edu/dspace/handle/1811/5920

I didn't say the team has to win....however in a university like Ohio State the president should at least act like she cares about the sports and alumni.

 

[Bucklion]

She was absolutely horrible in public relations, and obviously came in with a focus on academics and didn't care about athletics and tradition, or extracurricular stuff in general...which isn't necessarily a horrible thing, but she had to know it wasn't going to make her popular. If anything it seemd like she was trying to inject a dose of morality to the campus more than anything, which in some ways is good, some...not so much.

As has already been said, a lot of stuff was in the works before she got there. She did some good things, I suppose, but really didn't affect any lasting positive change for which she will be credited and remembered.

Her big attitude didn't help either...but, and I hate to step on hallowed ground here, but what exactly did Gee do that was so fantastic? Yes, he was personable, and yes, he would "talk to" students...but can someone fill me in on exactly what actions he took to make the student experience tangibly better? I got to OSU around the end of his tenure, and quite frankly, a lot of things were a mess then...that still are. It seems to me his personality and willingness to chat up students is what garnered him his reputation...not his actions...am I wrong?

 

[FKAGobucks877]

It's the frickin' tradition! The Ohio State University isn't just some random college. It has a legacy and a history of rich tradition, and that bitch didn't give two shits about any of it. All she cared about was grubbing for research money....that's it. She didn't have jack to do with Gateway, or new construction, or anything else...only research grants. Good riddance.

 

[Honor&Glory]

As an alumnus of UC and somebody who will be applying to OSU to earn my masters and PhD, I am terrified at what I have heard around Clifton today....The possibility of NAny ZImpher becoming the next president of THE Ohio State University...If you guys thought K-HO was anti athletics and a p.r. nightmare for the school...wait till you get a load of NAZI and her wardrobe of assorted feather boas, fishnet stockings, bright red lipstick and her sheer hatred for any coach that thinks their program is more important than her school. God help OSU if this comes true.

 

[buckeyefool]

As an alumnus of UC and somebody who will be applying to OSU to earn my masters and PhD, I am terrified at what I have heard around Clifton today....The possibility of NAny ZImpher becoming the next president of THE Ohio State University...If you guys thought K-HO was anti athletics and a p.r. nightmare for the school...wait till you get a load of NAZI and her wardrobe of assorted feather boas, fishnet stockings, bright red lipstick and her sheer hatred for any coach that thinks their program is more important than her school. God help OSU if this comes true.

won't happen...she is already a pr nightmare with the way things went down at UC, OSU won't touch her with a 10 foot pole

 

[Bucklion]

As an alumnus of UC and somebody who will be applying to OSU to earn my masters and PhD, I am terrified at what I have heard around Clifton today....The possibility of NAny ZImpher becoming the next president of THE Ohio State University...If you guys thought K-HO was anti athletics and a p.r. nightmare for the school...wait till you get a load of NAZI and her wardrobe of assorted feather boas, fishnet stockings, bright red lipstick and her sheer hatred for any coach that thinks their program is more important than her school. God help OSU if this comes true.

What is LLLLoyd Carr after a bad bender following another OSU loss?