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HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

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shetuck said:
significantly worse than what? five, six, seven losses in a row in the game?
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You are talking about the scum game only. Unfortunately wit the loss of the divisions in the big 10 and the changes to the CFP system, beating scum is no longer the be all end all like it once was. The game is still the game but it no longer should be the only criteria that anyone gives a damn about. Too many changes in CFB. Winning a significant portion of the overall games has now taken over imo if you are wanting to win a NC.
 
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AuTX Buckeye said:
Someone needs to look this up but Day has a chance to end the season 0-2 for the 4th straight year. I’m gonna guess it’s Cooper, if he even did it. We haven’t won a game after Thanksgiving since 2020.

And to everyone playing down the consistent trench recruiting failures with “we just need to hit the portal”. Unless we’re tampering (which knowing OSU if we even tried we’d get busted) you’re getting backups or 3rd string guys not cunt beating OL, much less NC OL. I’m tired of it.

I’ve said it for the last two years+ something is rotten in the Woody and it needs to be cleansed with fire. I’m talking everyone back room guys as well as recruiting folks. Burn it all down
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We won the Rose Bowl in 2022.
 
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Being realistic, I think OSU waits until offseason to make any decisions bc it could have huge financial implications.

If OSU had some balls they’d fire him by EOD on Monday and make Hartline interim-HC for playoffs. Would it be a bit disruptive and change the mechanics a bit?? Yeah, but they have 2 weeks to work on it. But this team needs a shock and rallying around Hartline could possibly unite this team and at least get them to play some truly inspired football which we haven’t seen all year.

The issue IMO, is going to be that firing him now puts them on hook for a majority of his buyout ($35-$45Mish). I do think Ryan would be willing to negotiate that number down, especially if he wants to take an NFL job, but at this point, I’m even curious if there’s an appetite from the NFL for his services…..he’s damaged his reputation so much this season.
 
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I’m still shocked, but ready to move forward. It’s sunny, 50 degrees, and beautiful outside and I got plenty of shit to keep me busy before heading into work tomorrow. We need to regroup and see what happens. The 8/9 game, if that’s where we fall, will be intriguing. I’m expecting Oregon to win next week which might possibly create a rematch with Penn State at home. Maybe Indiana. The winner would then play Oregon I believe. The team needs to let the sting haunt them this week, and then get back at it. Get hungry and be angry. Although they can’t get revenge on TTUN, they can still gain the opportunity to avenge the loss to Oregon.
 
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RugbyBuck said:
I’d fire Day and Kelly, and Johnson, make Knowles the acting HC, and Hartline his OC and let it fucking rip. Knowles knows not to interfere in the offense and his attitude of accountability, intelligence, and aggression is what we need in a HC.
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People wanted Knowles' head on a pike 5 weeks ago. Now he's HC material? And Hartline is not OC material. That experiment fizzled out midway through last season.

People must have short memories wanting guys that were considered dead men walking a month ago. The change needs to be total, and it can't be some hail mary hire of a mediocre HC because just anyone can put together Day's record. And you can't pick a new HC off this staff, especially if the opinion is that Day has poisoned the well it the WHAC. There are no half measures here.
 
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billmac91 said:
Being realistic, I think OSU waits until offseason to make any decisions bc it could have huge financial obligations.

If OSU had some balls they’d fire him by EOD on Monday and make Hartline interim-HC for playoffs. Would it be a bit disruptive and change the mechanics a bit?? Yeah, but they have 2 weeks to work on it. But this team needs a shock and rallying around Hartline could possibly unite this team and at least get them to play some truly inspired football which we haven’t seen all year.

The issue IMO, is going to be that firing him now puts them on hook for a majority of his buyout ($35-$45Mish). I do think Ryan would be willing to negotiate that number down, especially if he wants to take an NFL job, but at this point, I’m even curious if there’s an appetite from the NFL for his services…..he’s damaged his reputation so much this season.
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I agree.

For you fellow Clevelanders, Ryan Day is to Ohio State what JB Bickerstaff was to the Cavs.

I've never been more certain that this program has peaked under Day and that we will never break through with him as our coach, just as I was with JBB and the Cavs.

Finding an upgrade will be much tougher because unlike the Cavs with JBB, OSU is actually very close to where we all want them to be. So I don't think you can just fire Day on a whim, but Bjork should absolutely be back-channeling with Saban, Vrabel...hell, I'd even give a call to OVC COTY and HBCU COTY finalist Eddie George. Consider promoting Hartline. There aren't many obvious options, but there's a few right there off the top of my head.

It'll never happen because of the risk and I'm not even saying it should happen, but I'd genuinely be more excited for the Playoffs if Day was let go and Hartline was promoted on an interim basis with a chance to win the job with a CFP run. But I truly believe this program needs a jolt in the worst way moving forward, not to mention to have any chance of salvaging this lost season.
 
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NFBuck said:
Hours later and I'm still livid about that game plan.

That's what you came up with? Fucking serious?

Fuck off.
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I'm going to pile on and I avoided even coming on here yesterday so I didn't go ape shit even though I wanted to. I have had my rest and a chance to clear my mind, but I feel the same way. That was about the worst game plan that could have been devised and just wasted a huge talent deficit advantage. And in the most important game of the year.

Are you fucking serious is right. I've had it, Day just can't beat this team and you have to do that to keep your job at OSU. I think we screwed the pooch running UFM off, yeah there was the shit show with the Jaguars (happens to almost every college coaching moving to the NFL) but the guy knew how to beat ttun. It is a mile in the rearview mirror, but I worried this might be the result.

We have a coach that has been really shoddy on winning big games and can't beat our rival. Great individual and great recruiter, but that is just not enough here. Problem is that many others have pointed out, I'm not sure there is a better replacement out there.
 
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RugbyBuck said:
I’d fire Day and Kelly, and Johnson, make Knowles the acting HC, and Hartline his OC and let it fucking rip. Knowles knows not to interfere in the offense and his attitude of accountability, intelligence, and aggression is what we need in a HC.
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I think that’s a bit too disruptive and could also cascade into many players who have connections with LJ Sr (especially LJ Sr who has 4-5 years with some of these kids) to quit on the season. Chip Kelly hasn’t been here as long but he’s the point man on offense and I think it’s too disruptive to change that now even if the game plans have been terrible. Asking Hartline to call plays with mashup at OL is also potentially putting him in harms way….dont ask him to do something where he possibly cannot succeed.

I’m for firing Day bc it starts at the top, but I don’t think you can abandon LJ Sr. and Kelly at this point in season.

Alternatively, you fire Day, let Hartline who has undeniable talent as a coach, and will likely be a HC in very near future, get the chance as interim HC and you let him manage the team over the next 2 weeks. It keeps the continuity you have among the players and also gives them something to rally around.

Everyone in the WHAC knows Hartline is a badass and his unit is consistently the greatest strength on the team. Promoting Knowles to interim HC doesn’t give the kids anything to rally around IMO. Let the kids play for Hartline’s right to be HC going forward……will give Hartline some juice going into offseason as well if OSU finally plays with some fire.

The defense is good enough to keep them in games…..hopefully a change from Day to Hartline pushes Kelly to open up the playbook some and play more free. Because this is the tightest I’ve ever seen an OSU offense play…..with the weapons they have it’s criminal.
 
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RuGettinIt said:
I’d be curious on an honest take from Urban on his hand picked successor.
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I think Urban would say Day has the talent from an X’s and O’s perspective to be great but doesn’t have the personality to inspire his kids to get over the hump in critical moments.

Day has spent entire off-seasons trying to cultivate that ability but I think some are just born with it, and others can try, but at most, they’re just faking it. And Day is certainly faking that intestinal fortitude he tries to project.

I also think you see where Urban lived on the edges in both his coaching staff and kids he’d recruit…..you did get that “choke you out over a game of checkers” vibe. That also comes with some external issues nobody likes to deal with.

I think Ryan is a nice guy and his teams are generally pretty good. But they take on his personality which is finesse and not a “grind it out” attitude. Urban was going to run the ball down your throat and then take deep shots. Day actually needs to throw to set up the pass bc he’s never liked to play bully-ball. And it comes full circle bc in trying to prove that he’s developed this machismo that Meyer, Saban, Kirby Smart have proven they have, Day actively sabotages his team to try and be something they aren’t. Will Howard was playing excellent early on taking soft spots in zone defense and making the easy throws for 5,6,7 yards. But Day HAD to prove OSU can play bully ball, and stubbornly cut his nose off in spite of his face.

It’s so disappointing…..just a spectacular fail with an unbelievably talented team. I’m not a psychologist, but I’d say Ryan has a bit of an identity problem and it manifests itself in how the team plays.
 
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Osi said:
If "the game is still the game" then it should always be the criteria that anyone gives damn about, period.
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The thing is, as much as the fans want it to be, especially the older ones like myself, it's not still "The Game" as it always been in the traditional sense. It used to be the game that defined a season because it usually determined the B1G Champion and had National Championship implications. Even if one of the teams was having a down year, it still gave them a chance to ruin the other teams season. That just isn't the case anymore unfortunately. Just look at this year.....as bad and painful as yesterday was, TCUN is still going to the Who Gives a Fuck Bowl and OSU is headed to the playoff. Yes it cost the Bucks an opportunity to win the B1G Championship but it also gives them an extra week to prepare for the playoff. With the new format in the B1G you now could see OSU and TCUN play each other two weeks in a row and possibly meet again in the playoff.
The Game has been cheapened and lost it's meaning other than bragging rights. That really sucks. I fully expect the B1G to move it to earlier in the season in the near future.
 
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