Greg Schiano (HC Rutgers Scarlet Knights)

[TexasBuck]

I'm trying to wrap my head around this and be fair and honest and not go all BWI. I honestly don't care if Schiano coaches a down at Ohio State, the program will be fine either way. But I don't see how this is a big problem given the facts we have now. Comparing and contrasting:

McQ says he told Joe he saw Jerry doing something in the shower. Joe confirmed that yes, McQ told him that he saw Jerry doing something of a sexual nature with a boy in the shower. Joe then told Schulz or Curley or whomever sometime later (as to not ruin their weekends) and, at best, never followed up with it or mentioned it to anyone else in authority.

McQ says that Bradley told him (McQ) 20 years ago that Schiano told him (Bradley) that he (Schiano) saw something. Bradley and Schiano both deny this.

If some corroborating evidence comes to light that Schiano did see something and not report it, then fire his ass as soon as that evidence comes out. In the meantime, I don't see any necessary action from Ohio State.

Spot on. If new information comes to light: You fire him for lying. Otherwise, this is a non-issue for Ohio State.

 

[jwinslow]

I just don;t see what McQueary has to gain by saying this even if he isn't lying. The well he did it too excuse doesn't work with mom let alone in a court of law so I'm not sure what mentioning it does for him other then possibly have him end up with a slander case in his lap as well.

You don't see how it's beneficial to a guy suing Penn state to portray two other super assistant coaches as having also witnessed the same awfulness, discussed what to do about it and chosen to stay quiet for unknown reasons?

It speaks to the absolute power of the great one. It paints him as the most admirable and most proactive responder in the decades that Sandusky was there. It makes him a sympathetic figure suddenly amongst many coaches who thought of saying something but were convinced not to do so.

Now none of this means that McQ is lying. This isn't bwi. We get that people can lie and make mistakes, even our heroes. But it's not hard to imagine a number of situations where McQ would use those references to his benefit, regardless of their accuracy.

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

I believe they call McQ's technique.. 'throw all the shit against the wall and see how much sticks'

 

[Buckeye86]

I haven't read 95% of what has been written here other than to get the general idea that some people think Schiano should be fired over this.

Here's the scenario I envision in my head. Schiano witnesses something and reports it to Paterno, who assures him that it has been taken care of (or that it's no big deal, or whatever) with all the power and integrity that Joe Paterno can bring to bear and not to worry about it any longer. Schiano never sees anything again to make him think twice about it. In fact, perhaps subconsciously, he, along with everyone else, purposefully avoids that fucking weirdo Sandusky and puts their faith in Paterno to handle an incredibly awkward and uncomfortable situation- because they assume he's just strange and that's all because Paterno. Rumors persist for decades but no ones thinks too much about them because Paterno.

In fact, I see this scenario repeating itself dozens of times over the years with everyone who has run ins with Sandusky.

Which, once again, makes Paterno the evil focal point of this story.

The severity of the action witnessed is the variable.

 

[LostLassie]

I haven't read 95% of what has been written here other than to get the general idea that some people think Schiano should be fired over this.

Here's the scenario I envision in my head. Schiano witnesses something and reports it to Paterno, who assures him that it has been taken care of (or that it's no big deal, or whatever) with all the power and integrity that Joe Paterno can bring to bear and not to worry about it any longer. Schiano never sees anything again to make him think twice about it. In fact, perhaps subconsciously, he, along with everyone else, purposefully avoids that fucking weirdo Sandusky and puts their faith in Paterno to handle an incredibly awkward and uncomfortable situation- because they assume he's just strange and that's all because Paterno. Rumors persist for decades but no ones thinks too much about them because Paterno.

In fact, I see this scenario repeating itself dozens of times over the years with everyone who has run ins with Sandusky.

Which, once again, makes Paterno the evil focal point of this story.

The severity of the action witnessed is the variable.

Here's a scenario I envision in my head: Schiano was out riding his favorite unicorn through the sky when he encountered Jerry Sandusky in the form of a purple, shape-shifting alien from an alternate universe who waved a magic wand and turned Schiano white as a ghost...

which I find every bit as productive as choosing not to invest the time to read what is factually reported and form an opinion based on that.

In no publication that I have read has anyone claimed Schiano ever spoke to Paterno about it. You can imagine any events you like, but what bearing they have on reality-based discussions about Schiano's employment at tOSU is lost on me.

 

[dragurd]

You don't see how it's beneficial to a guy suing Penn state to portray two other super assistant coaches as having also witnessed the same awfulness, discussed what to do about it and chosen to stay quiet for unknown reasons?

It speaks to the absolute power of the great one. It paints him as the most admirable and most proactive responder in the decades that Sandusky was there. It makes him a sympathetic figure suddenly amongst many coaches who thought of saying something but were convinced not to do so.

Now none of this means that McQ is lying. This isn't bwi. We get that people can lie and make mistakes, even our heroes. But it's not hard to imagine a number of situations where McQ would use those references to his benefit, regardless of their accuracy.

Honestly if I was on the jury it wouldn't speak to the power of the great one at all. It'd just come across as mommy mommy he did it too hearsay. That is completely irrelevant to the fact. If Schiano saw indeed it did too he should be charged and his coaching career should be over. However I honestly have no idea of any way to prove that this event happened. Ir's 21 year old at newest possible hearsay that 2 of the involved parties denied. I doubt there exists emails that old so it's only word of mouth. It's something that is completely unprovable as such it doesn't help his case in fact I'd say it weakens it t was me as it looks like woe is me whining.

 

[Buckeye86]

Here's a scenario I envision in my head: Schiano was out riding his favorite unicorn through the sky when he encountered Jerry Sandusky in the form of a purple, shape-shifting alien from an alternate universe who waved a magic wand and turned Schiano white as a ghost...

which I find every bit as productive as choosing not to invest the time to read what is factually reported and form an opinion based on that.

In no publication that I have read has anyone claimed Schiano ever spoke to Paterno about it. You can imagine any events you like, but what bearing they have on reality-based discussions about Schiano's employment at tOSU is lost on me.

Well then, let me know when you're done putting together all the facts, I look forward to the full report.

 

[jwinslow]

Here's a scenario I envision in my head: Schiano was out riding his favorite unicorn through the sky when he encountered Jerry Sandusky in the form of a purple, shape-shifting alien from an alternate universe who waved a magic wand and turned Schiano white as a ghost...

which I find every bit as productive as choosing not to invest the time to read what is factually reported and form an opinion based on that.

In no publication that I have read has anyone claimed Schiano ever spoke to Paterno about it. You can imagine any events you like, but what bearing they have on reality-based discussions about Schiano's employment at tOSU is lost on me.

There's no need to imagine anything when it comes to the absolute and holy power that Joepa possessed or its power over any challenger. Whether Schiano saw anything with Sandusky requires guessing as does what he would have done.

 

[DiamondBuck]

Putting aside any opinion I have on who should be believed, I was wondering on what basis could tOSU fire an employee? Presumably coaches are a special case. If tOSU fired a coach based on speculation regarding hearsay, would that have a chilling effect on hiring coaches in the future?

 

[TexasBuck]

Putting aside any opinion I have on who should be believed, I was wondering on what basis could tOSU fire an employee? Presumably coaches are a special case. If tOSU fired a coach based on speculation regarding hearsay, would that have a chilling effect on hiring coaches in the future?

McQueary claims Schiano told Bradley about a Sandusky incident with a boy. Bradley denies knowledge of any incident regarding Sandusky. (So Bradley's statement refutes McQueary's statement about Schiano)

”I've known Greg for 20-some years. I have as much respect for Greg Schiano as I do any person — not just any coach, any person. We had the chat and he told me everything that happened. He stands by his statement and we stand by his statement." - Urban Meyer

Schiano isn't going to be fired for anything Penn State related and rightfully so.

 

[DiamondBuck]

McQueary claims Schiano told Bradley about a Sandusky incident with a boy. Bradley denies knowledge of any incident regarding Sandusky. (So Bradley's statement refutes McQueary's statement about Schiano)

”I've known Greg for 20-some years. I have as much respect for Greg Schiano as I do any person — not just any coach, any person. We had the chat and he told me everything that happened. He stands by his statement and we stand by his statement." - Urban Meyer

Schiano isn't going to be fired for anything Penn State related and rightfully so.

It is clear that Schiano has Urban's support. The question was more of a hypothetical nature.

 

[maximumblitz]

I think it's going to be very hard for anyone who was on staff with Jerry to ever get another job. Q.

No "one and done" for GC? Not even a standard tOSU "two and done"?

 

[OH10]

Unless Bradley is suing Schiano, he's not a party opponent.

All of this is in the context of being used against Schiano. It could be anybody suing him or the state itself. It doesn't have to be Bradley. We're arguing a lot of evidentiary nuance but essentially it's considered pretty reliable evidence when it's a first-hand accounting of a confession.

EDIT: Not trying to hijack the thread over some rule of evidence but I feel compelled to massage my ego a bit because I know this stuff pretty well. If GS were sued or ever charged, Bradley could testify against him with that statement admissible as non-hearsay if that statement is offered by a party opponent. It does have to be the witness who is the party opponent.

 

[MD Buckeye]

 

[BUCKYLE]

I can barely hear a word he's saying. Was that dude recording audio on his cell phone?