Greatest Dead Rock Stars

[Bleed S & G]

the metal fans above me

check out bullet for my valentine

 

[Thump]

Most metal-heads think the whole world revolves around metal and have no grasp of other musicians out there.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Dimebag Darrell created a totally unique style of metal guitar-his sound is what makes Cowboys From Hell, Vulgar Display of Power, and Far Beyond Driven the masterpeices that they are. I can name metal bands that sound like Metallica, or Slayer, or Iron Maiden- I cannot name another metal that replicates Darrell's sound. I think most people putting down Darrell simply do not like metal, just like people who trash the Grateful Dead do not like hippies.

Don't tell that to Dave Mustain:

Besides some claims that Pantera stole Exhorder's sound, Dave Mustaine of Megadeth told MTV in 1994:

When I got together with James [Hetfield], he and I created a guitar style that everybody and their brother is playing now, everyone. I'm not gonna name anybody 'cause I'm not gonna promote them. OK, we'll say "panther" in Spanish. You're welcome guys. We might as well be cooking their dinner for them or pushing their little wheelbarrow to the bank for them.​

Having listened to a couple samples of Pantera's music just now to refresh my memory, I'm hard pressed to disagree with Mustain. It's "chucka chucka" metal with a repetitive 'groove' (akin to what Hendrix would do on tunes like "Hear my train a-comin" (the electric version, not accoustic)), and that's it (minus the chucka chucka metal part, of course). Keep in mind, the argument isn't whether or not the guy could play. He could play, I'll give him that. But I don't see anything in his style that I find novel save for maybe his insistance on ending all riffs with the technique where one hits the string with the side of the pick, muting the tone almost immediately with the fleshy portion of the outside of his thumb and shaking his fretting hand (finger) quickly, producing that screaming/squeeking sort of noise.

(and I must confess, its for me difficult to blot out the ridiculous piece of shit they refer to as a vocalist to hear Dimebag)
Oh, and for what it's worth, I don't consider myself a RHCP fan.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

12. Jimi Hendrix
...
23. Nigel Tufnel (Spinal Tap)
24. Jeff Beck

Whoever compiled this list must be joking or putting together some sort of "fan poll." Nigel Tufnel isn't even a real person for the love of shit. (although, Guest did indeed play the music himself)

 

[Buck Nasty]

12. Jimi Hendrix
...
23. Nigel Tufnel (Spinal Tap)
24. Jeff Beck

Whoever compiled this list must be joking or putting together some sort of "fan poll." Nigel Tufnel isn't even a real person for the love of shit. (although, Guest did indeed play the music himself)

I think Tufnel and Jeff Beck were separated at birth.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I think Tufnel and Jeff Beck were separated at birth.

Let's see Beck play the guitar with a violin!

 

[CookyPuss]

Having listened to a couple samples of Pantera's music just now to refresh my memory

I think that says it right there. Outside of the Metal community, most folks can't place the guy. It's not like I wasn't watching MTV or listening to the radio stations that played them in their hey day either. I just didn't find them to be memorable... at least not in the way that I instantly recognize Metallica (not a fan of them either).

My dad has a 1972 AMC Matador that he takes to car shows. I've gone with him a few times and it's funny to see people walk up, stare at the car, finally look at the name, and then a light goes on somewhere and they say something like... "Matador? Oh yeah, I remember those..." Pantera is kind of like that to most of us.

 

[Big Papa]

Don't tell that to Dave Mustain:





Having listened to a couple samples of Pantera's music just now to refresh my memory, I'm hard pressed to disagree with Mustain. It's "chucka chucka" metal with a repetitive 'groove' (akin to what Hendrix would do on tunes like "Hear my train a-comin" (the electric version, not accoustic)), and that's it (minus the chucka chucka metal part, of course). Keep in mind, the argument isn't whether or not the guy could play. He could play, I'll give him that. But I don't see anything in his style that I find novel save for maybe his insistance on ending all riffs with the technique where one hits the string with the side of the pick, muting the tone almost immediately with the fleshy portion of the outside of his thumb and shaking his fretting hand (finger) quickly, producing that screaming/squeeking sort of noise.

(and I must confess, its for me difficult to blot out the ridiculous piece of shit they refer to as a vocalist to hear Dimebag)
Oh, and for what it's worth, I don't consider myself a RHCP fan.

BKB, I really don't understand why you have made it a personal mission of yours to try to discredit Darrell Abbott's contributions and void that he left upon his death as it pertains to the metal genre. My simple opinion was that for HIS GENRE which in no way can be swept under the rug, because it has been a very popular one for many years, he was very influential and after his tragic death he is and will always be considered by many who follow that style of music one of the greats. So you don't like him or his music, fine. You just can't discount a particular individual just because you don't like his style of music or dislike his name. That's my last take on this, just wanted to defend my position.

 

[Saw31]

1. Tony Iommi (Black Sabbath)
2. Kirk Hammett & James Hetfield (Metallica)
3. Angus & Malcolm Young (AC/DC)
4. Randy Rhoads (Ozzy Osbourne)
5. Eddie Van Halen (Van Halen)
6. Jimmy Page (Led Zeppelin)
7. Dimebag Darrell (Pantera, Damageplan)
8. Zakk Wylde (Ozzy Osbourne, Black Label Society)
9. Adam Jones (Tool)
10. Kerry King & Jeff Hanneman (Slayer)
11. Dave Murray & Adrian Smith (Iron Maiden)
12. Jimi Hendrix
13. Glen Tipton & K.K. Downing (Judas Priest)
14. Ace Frehley & Paul Stanley (Kiss)
15. Slash (Guns N' Roses)
16. Ritchie Blackmore (Deep Purple, Rainbow)
17. Yngwie Malmsteen
18. Joe Perry & Brad Whitford (Aerosmith)
19. Dave Mustaine & Marty Friedman (Megadeth)
20. Chuck Schuldiner (Death)
21. Brian May (Queen)
22. Michael Schenker (Msg, Ufo)
23. Nigel Tufnel (Spinal Tap)
24. Jeff Beck

ANY list that has Spinal Tap over Jeff Beck is shit. Jeff Beck is GOD among the serious Guitar players I know.

Jimmy Page at 6? Behind Randy Roads of Ozzy fame? Plaeeeese!

Hendrix at 12?

Richie Blackmore should be way higher.



That makes sense, it looks pretty random as to where they put guys of the old school. No way do you put Page that low.

I don't like this list because I differentiate between "Metal" and "Hard Rock". Not to get too theoretical here, but music like Zeppelin or Hendrix falls more into a "Rock/Hard Rock" category for me, not "Metal". This would be music more based off of blues/jazz and early country/folk music. Now, before someone says "blues/jazz? country/folk? WTF?", I'm talking about chords and chord progressions and the scales used over top of them that were commonly used in this type of music. This has morphed into what I would now refer to as "Rock/Hard Rock". So guys like Page and Hendrix wouldn't be on this "Metal" list.

"Metal" to me comes more from traditional/classical music. Once again, I'm talking about chord progressions and scales prevalent in traditional/classical music. Harmonic and natural minor scales and even chromatic scales with maybe some diminished chords in the progressions, as well as writing a lot more in major keys. Stuff that is a lot less common in "Rock/Hard Rock" generally. "Metal" is much closer to say Bach or Mozart, than say to Robert Johnson. That, to me, more accurately describes "Metal"...Of course I'm over-generalizing because there's a lot of cross-over, but I do draw a line between "Rock/Hard Rock" and "Metal", and it's more than just the volume or tempo of the music...

This is all just my personal point of view, but I have a hard time comparing a power chord chunking, harmonic minor riff-ripping "Metal" guitarist like Dimebag to a "Slow hand" blues-based rhythmic-soloing, note-bending guitarist like Hendrix...To me they just aren't in the same musical category and should be on separate lists IMO. This isn't to say either one is better than the other...From a technical standpoint, both are very difficult to play and requires a lot of talent...

 

[Folanator]

My dad has a 1972 AMC Matador that he takes to car shows. I've gone with him a few times and it's funny to see people walk up, stare at the car, finally look at the name, and then a light goes on somewhere and they say something like... "Matador? Oh yeah, I remember those..." Pantera is kind of like that to most of us.

Oh, so THAT's a Matador. (You have to be over 45 to get that joke)

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

This thread is starting to suck as much as 'Dimebag' Darrell's guitar playing.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

BKB, I really don't understand why you have made it a personal mission of yours to try to discredit Darrell Abbott's contributions and void that he left upon his death as it pertains to the metal genre. My simple opinion was that for HIS GENRE which in no way can be swept under the rug, because it has been a very popular one for many years, he was very influential and after his tragic death he is and will always be considered by many who follow that style of music one of the greats. So you don't like him or his music, fine. You just can't discount a particular individual just because you don't like his style of music or dislike his name. That's my last take on this, just wanted to defend my position.

Dude, are you his brother, agent, Zakk Wylde, or something? Relax. It's a debate about musicians and their influence.

There are pleanty of "great ones" in one genre or another. That doesn't mean the deserve inclusion in a list that includes the likes of Hendrix, Elvis (who I personally, can't stand, but would never suggest wasn't highly influential), and the like.

My prediction is that in 30 years very few (if any) people will cite Dimebag Darrell as thier musical influence. 30 years after his death, many people still credit Hendrix.

 

[Saw31]

This thread is starting to suck as much as 'Dimebag' Darrell's guitar playing.

Well, I find that this pic is always helpful in reviving a dieing thread...:p

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I don't like this list because I differentiate between "Metal" and "Hard Rock". Not to get too theoretical here, but music like Zeppelin or Hendrix falls more into a "Rock/Hard Rock" category for me, not "Metal". This would be music more based off of blues/jazz and early country/folk music. Now, before someone says "blues/jazz? country/folk? WTF?", I'm talking about chords and chord progressions and the scales used over top of them that were commonly used in this type of music. This has morphed into what I would now refer to as "Rock/Hard Rock". So guys like Page and Hendrix wouldn't be on this "Metal" list.

"Metal" to me comes more from traditional/classical music. Once again, I'm talking about chord progressions and scales prevalent in traditional/classical music. Harmonic and natural minor scales and even chromatic scales with maybe some diminished chords in the progressions, as well as writing a lot more in major keys. Stuff that is a lot less common in "Rock/Hard Rock" generally. "Metal" is much closer to say Bach or Mozart, than say to Robert Johnson. That, to me, more accurately describes "Metal"...Of course I'm over-generalizing because there's a lot of cross-over, but I do draw a line between "Rock/Hard Rock" and "Metal", and it's more than just the volume or tempo of the music...

This is all just my personal point of view, but I have a hard time comparing a power chord chunking, harmonic minor riff-ripping "Metal" guitarist like Dimebag to a "Slow hand" blues-based rhythmic-soloing, note-bending guitarist like Hendrix...To me they just aren't in the same musical category and should be on separate lists IMO. This isn't to say either one is better than the other...From a technical standpoint, both are very difficult to play and requires a lot of talent...

Hair Metal then would be Rock/Hard Rock (in your terms) owing to their use of I IV V progressions? I guess I can see that. Although, when it comes to hair metal solos, ie CC Deville, it's the same sorta thing you see in what you're calling metal, if you ask me.

Edit: I should have mentioned, I think you make a solid point re: the structure of these particular styles.

 

[Dryden]

Nigel Tufnel isn't even a real person for the love of shit.

Nothing is as final as a lawyer ending a sentence with "for the love of shit!"