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Glenville Pipeline

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osugrad21;1172821; said:
Why not? While both of those schools have put kids in major programs, Glenville is the redhot recruiting school right now. Especially if you have Columbus dreams.
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Plus the benefits of enjoying the recruiting process without losing your spot, something rarely guaranteed to other recruits.
 
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osugrad21;1172821; said:
Why not? While both of those schools have put kids in major programs, Glenville is the redhot recruiting school right now. Especially if you have Columbus dreams.
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True, but if you have D1 potential, you will get looks at Ed's or Iggy. Granted, you will get more exposure at Glenville as your teammates attract the best of the best. However, you could potentially get less playing time at a school like Glenville if you happen to play the same position as a complete stud (Hall, Newsome, JamO, TG, Troy, etc.). I guess it all depends on the situation. In reality, how many kids from the catholic schools in Cleveland didn't get a chance to play D1 football even though they had the talent?
 
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MUBuck;1172946; said:
True, but if you have D1 potential, you will get looks at Ed's or Iggy. Granted, you will get more exposure at Glenville as your teammates attract the best of the best. However, you could potentially get less playing time at a school like Glenville if you happen to play the same position as a complete stud (Hall, Newsome, JamO, TG, Troy, etc.). I guess it all depends on the situation. In reality, how many kids from the catholic schools in Cleveland didn't get a chance to play D1 football even though they had the talent?
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You will get looks anywhere...but you will not get the same exposure. Recruiting is as much about hype and buzz anymore as it is about pure talent.

Iggy and St. Ed's have the history for sure...but Glenville is a factory right now.
 
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I think alot of this has to do with the fact that an inner city program in Cleveland is whooping perenial powerhouses (Iggy and Eds). If it were the other way around an St. Edwards was enrolling these kids nobody would say a thing or ask how a poor, single mother in the inner city is affording it.

You guys are also forgetting the amount of talent Ginn produces. Its easy to talk about JamO and Troy Smith but how about Ray Fisher, Arvell Nelson and the many more he has developed and gotten scholarships for?
 
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OSUTARBLOODER;1173026; said:
You guys are also forgetting the amount of talent Ginn produces. Its easy to talk about JamO and Troy Smith but how about Ray Fisher, Arvell Nelson and the many more he has developed and gotten scholarships for?
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I was with you until this one...Ginn is a great mentor for those kids, an excellent salesman, and he had the vision to jump onto the recruiting train before it left the station.

However, a word like "developed" points to coaching. That is where Glenville has been overmatched...whether from staff help or whatnot. He can "out-athlete" most teams...that is the nature of HS sports. However, when the athletes are similar, then it comes onto the scheme, adjustments, etc.

The word "raw" is used with a number of Glenville kids when they are assessed. That is not development but it is getting them the attention needed for a college program to see the tremendous upside.
 
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the same people who complained when iggy was pumping kids our are now complaining that glenville does the same thing. are some kids probably "hurt" sure, are some kids "helped" sure. from what i know of the man hes trying to do his best to help people. football is a way out for many, its a door opener for others, for some its a chance at nfl money, for others of these kids a college education will mean $3,200,000 in more life time earnings. from what i see coach ginn is trying to open doors and possibilities for kids. do i see some harm, sure. but, i feel what he is doing is bettering people. if every city had a coach ginn the world would be a better place...
 
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osugrad21;1173032; said:
I was with you until this one...Ginn is a great mentor for those kids, an excellent salesman, and he had the vision to jump onto the recruiting train before it left the station.

However, a word like "developed" points to coaching. That is where Glenville has been overmatched...whether from staff help or whatnot. He can "out-athlete" most teams...that is the nature of HS sports. However, when the athletes are similar, then it comes onto the scheme, adjustments, etc.

The word "raw" is used with a number of Glenville kids when they are assessed. That is not development but it is getting them the attention needed for a college program to see the tremendous upside.
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I was able to get a close look at a similar situation between the city school and a suburban school. I played for John Marshall (Cleveland Senate/City) as a frosh and soph. It is what you would expect from an underfunded distric; piss poor facilities, skeleton staff, athletes who had never received any proper coaching as youngsters. For most of us, this was the first time we were ever taught proper technique. Obviously we did not have the # of athletes as a Glenville, so we were not able to "out-athlete" other schools. The only schools we had a real chance against was the other city league schools with the same level of program.

My family moved and my junior and senior seasons i played for Brunswick. Brunswick is almost the polar opposite of Glenville in that they rarely are ever able to out-athlete you but we won with heart, discipline and proper coaching. Brunswick may have a D-1 athlete every 2-3 years, but they are always one of the top teams in NE Ohio. We had better facilites, a real coaching staff, and a set way of doing things. We actually had a S&C program whereas at Marshall, summer conditioning was literally meeting other guys and lifting on someones hand me down equipment in a basement. 80-90% of the kids on the Brunswick team had played organized football since they were in grade school, received proper coaching and knew how to play as opposed to just relying on how fast they could run or how high they could jump. While at Brunswick we played John Marshall both seasons and completely dominated them, combined score of 80-10 or something close to that. Not because we had better athletes, which i can say first hand we did not, but becasue we knew how to play football better.

This is all from my perspective, which i think has some merit based on my high school experiences...
 
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