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General Recruiting Discussion and Tangents (Merged)

I am not going to read that article, but given the unbelievable complexity of the subject matter and the fact that it is ESPN, I am going to go out on a limb and predict that it is an absolutely horrendous joke of an analytical piece. Just a guess though.
 
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For Sika, playing football at Ohio State made him a better student and put him in a much better position for life after football.

A very important, but often overlooked, aspect when selecting a school. Too many times, it's all about playing time, rings, and getting to the league. But the recruit who has the right supporting cast will pick somewhere that will prepare them for what comes after football. There's a whole bunch of life to be lived after the pads are put away. Nice to see that JT and staff have not forgotten the big picture.
 
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Welcome to the nascent world of elite travel football, the burgeoning sport that could someday mirror AAU basketball, with apparel companies footing the bill for teams loaded with top prospects

I have no idea what "nascent" means, but whenever I see shoe companies and elite high school athletes in the same sentence, I get a little uneasy. I'm all for kids getting an opportunity, but let's make sure it's for the right reasons. When guys start picking schools because of what they wear, and the pros associated with them (apparel companies), academics gets pushed even further into the background. Even worse, this is when the agent crap starts. High school athletes should be concentrating on getting the necessary academic background needed to succeed in college, developing the right work habits needed to successful on and off the field, and starting to develop the technique at their position. Some of this all-star summer league stuff puts the emphasis on "me and what can I get", rather than getting ready for the next level. I'm sure there's a lot of good summer coaches out there. I'm also sure that there are just as many shady ones looking out for themselves. High school coaches and parents really need to watch who their kids are working with during the off-season.
 
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Zook could be screwed here:

Intent is to bar early verbal offers of financial aid to students in all sports until July 1 before their senior year.

The first high school game of the season won't be played for nearly two months, yet Texas already has 22 football players who have committed to accepting scholarships for the fall of 2011, Stanford has 19 and Ohio State has 17, an example of the kind of accelerated early recruiting decision that worries some college administrators.
"We know we have problems and we haven't had a good way to fix it," said Petrina Long, senior associate athletic director at UCLA.
Long is chairperson of the Division I Recruiting and Athletics Personnel Issues Cabinet, and after hearing complaints from a variety of constituencies, that committee has proposed NCAA legislation to bar early verbal offers of financial aid to students in all sports until July 1 before their senior year.

Entire article: Proposed NCAA legislation would affect college commitments - latimes.com
 
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Coaches busy making visits during bye weeks
Friday, November 5, 2010
By Ken Gordon
The Columbus Dispatch

Sitting in the Kansas City airport at 1 a.m. on a recent Saturday, Ohio State recruiting coordinator John Peterson started worrying about making it home in time for OSU's game later that day.

"You start thinking, `OK, if I get a rental car and drive 10 hours, I can get there by kickoff,'" said Peterson, the victim of flight delays. "It's not my favorite thing to do."

Peterson did not have to resort to that, as the flight eventually departed. Scenes like that, though, are why the OSU coaching staff would rather not be out recruiting during a game week.

And that's why this year has been a blessing for the Buckeyes. Because of their Thursday-night opener on Sept. 2, and its bye week this week, the staff has had two open weekends during the NCAA's fall evaluation period.

That has allowed the coaches more time than usual to attend prospects' games, normally a rarity.

"Games are exciting, they're fun to go to, and kids love it," said Peterson, also OSU's tight ends coach.

The NCAA allows teams to have 42 "evaluations" during the period between Sept. 1 and Nov. 27. Evaluations can involve going to a prospect's school and talking to coaches, teachers, etc., or attending a prospect's game.

One coach being out one day counts as one of the 42 evaluations. The Buckeyes have used up 26 of their 42 so far, coach Jim Tressel said.

A few of those were like Peterson's in-season sneak-away. Quarterbacks coach Nick Siciliano and running backs coach Dick Tressel also managed to get in an evaluation on recent Fridays.

Dick Tressel went to suburban Chicago on Oct. 15, the night before OSU played at Wisconsin. After his visits, he drove up to Madison and met the team there.

But those are rare. The majority of the evaluations were saved for this week.

First, the staff was out in force on Monday and Tuesday, visiting schools. Peterson said that's a more important piece to the puzzle than attending a game.

"You really need to get into the school and talk to the principal and talk to the counselors and see the support network that this young man is exposed to," he said. "And if you just go to a game, you don't get that."

The final 16 evaluations were being used Friday and today. OSU coaches will be making school visits to Pickerington Central and Westerville South in central Ohio, as well as visiting schools and/or attending games in Cincinnati, Florida, Missouri and Pennsylvania.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/buckeyextra/stories/gameday/2010/week10/recruit.html
 
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This is perfect on the heels of my post in the Story thread...

Rules for the Recruiting Enthusiast

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by Dan on January 28, 2011

I like recruiting.

It feels better once I say it out loud (or type it), especially when it can feel downright dirty as you catch yourself becoming emotionally invested in the questionable decisions of high school seniors.

For all the horror stories of otherwise rational (or not) fans that use Facebook (or the 11 that use MySpace) as a vehicle to recruit/harass prospects, recruiting can be an enjoyable process if you give yourself some ground rules. And since I have the time, the inclination, and the experience of six (SIX!!!) whole years of figuring out what is and isn't, well, skeevy, I feel properly qualified.

With due credit to SI.com's Andy Staples's latest column and the late Tuesday night Twitter rant of Scout's Brandon Huffman, I've devised a set of ten rules and regulations for the modern recruiting enthusiast:

Recruiting Rules and Regulations

1. You don't have to pay for a recruiting service (Scout, Rivals, ESPN, 24/7), but if you do, choose the network site that has the most active message board. Information from any site will move quickly, but the more people pipe up (including the "insiders" or "experts" who know somebody who knows somebody), the funnier/crazier/sadder it gets. This is a good thing as long as you use it, more than anything else, for entertainment purposes.

2. When viewing or, if you must, contributing to a recruiting message board discussion with other people in the room, it wouldn't be the worst idea to have another window or tab open of something that's potentially less nerdy.

Which sounds better:

"What're you looking at?"

"Oh just, um, strangers talking about the upper body strength of a sixteen year old who's vaguely interested in playing at the same school that gave me an English Lit degree."

"What're you looking at?"

"Oh just, um, something called Brazzers."

Exactly.

3. Never say anything to recruits under any circumstance. Beyond it being against NCAA rules, it's almost always not acceptable as is to be Facebook friends with a teenager you're not related to, only this is only way worse. Take a second and think about how backwards it is to try to recruit a prospect yourself - Hey Jadeveon, COME TO ALABAMA!!! ROLL TIDE!!! And if posing as a fan of an opposing team in order to turn the recruit off seems like a good idea, you already have enough problems tying your own shoes, so I won-t instruct further.

You-re an adult, do adult things online, like check your stocks or look at whatever Brazzers is.

4. Like a recruit's ability and potential, never love a recruit. When I was 17, I had a hard enough time figuring out if I should get bacon or extra bacon on a burger, let alone where I was going to go play football for 4-5 years. You know, if I could be tackled without coughing up my larynx.

Of the guys your team will get verbal commitments from, some will change their minds, some won't get in, some will get in trouble with the law, and almost all of them won't meet the crazy expectations bestowed upon them by the "insiders" and "experts."

Crap, now I want bacon.

5. Rankings and stars matter, they just don't matter that much. Yes, a prospect is more likely to become an All-American if given a five-star rating, but no, having a star taken away from your team's recruit and given to a rival's does not mean conspiracies are afoot. If a recruiting editor has a bias when evaluating, it doesn't actually make a prospect bigger or better, just one with more stars next to his name.

6. Every quantifiable physical or athletic attribute is wrong. I competed in a high school combine last spring and saw that I measured in at 6'0 and 172 lbs, followed by the guy yelling out, "Six-two, one eighty five!!" I didn't even matter and my physical stats were exaggerated. Imagine the 40 times and vertical leaps you're seeing on these sites for kids that actually have college interest. ALL MADE UP.

7. For the most part, if a coach wins much more often than he loses and consistently gets to bowls on or after New Years, it doesn't matter where his team finishes in the recruiting rankings. The process is fun, but if you're just as happy out-recruiting your rival as you are blowing them out in November, recalibrate your settings.

8. Announcement ceremonies are awesome. Embrace the absurdity. Reading a decision isn't nearly as fun as watching it unfold live, just don't be that guy (or girl) praying for your school in the Ustream chat and then going to a dark place when he chooses another school. Just stop.

(Also, as an aside, if I were a sought-after prospect, this is what I would do - give my little speech about each team, thank everyone, disappear into a covered booth, have the crowd count down from five, and then, as the walls collapse and smoke surrounds me, I appear wearing my hat and team colors. Oh and the fight song is blaring with a coordinated laser show. And then I clean up and go to AP History. Understated.)

9. Educate yourself. Recruiting nerdery requires you to actually be a nerd. Learn which coaches are assigned to which area of the country. Learn who's recruiting who. Learn transfer rules. It's not that hard, it just might take you skipping a meeting or four to really feel like you have a command of the dark arts.

10. Take some time off. If it's good enough for the coaches to do after signing day, it's good enough for you. The highlights and interviews of next year's prospects will be around during the spring, so give yourself some time to reconnect with your family, friends, and co-workers.

Especially if any of those people knows somebody who knows somebody.

Here was Huffman's rant (start at the bottom and read up):

When a kid picks another school, the fan's school ALWAYS "pulled the offer"...

When a kid picks the hometown school, he's a hometown hero...when he picks another school, he's a pariah..

When a kid picks another school because of parents, the parents need to stop interfering and let their kids make the decision...

When a kid picks a fan school because of the parents, the parents showed great guidance, council and wisdom...

17-year old kids should know what they want when they commit to a school. They aren't allowed to change their minds...

A fan's commits are never ranked too high. They are always ranked too low. Same with a parent's kid...

A fan's schools commits are always underrated...their rivals are always overrated...

Fans find the hat game tired...unless their hat is the one the kid pulls on...

Fans hate when kids hold press conferences...But fans love when kids hold press conferences and they announce for their school...

The kid who's committed to a fans school, takes other official visits, but sticks with his original commit made a good, thoughtful decision

The kid who's committed to a fans school but takes visits elsewhere is a headcase who can't make up his mind and is not loyal...

The 5-11 quarterback that a fan's rival school got sucks because he's too short...

The 5-11 quarterback that a fan's school just got is the next Drew Brees or Doug Flutie...

The kid who just committed to a fans school but decommitted from another, made a good, thoughtful and well-meaning decision...

That kid who decommitted from a fans school has no character, lacks integrity and can't keep his word...

Things I've learned over the years, down the stretch to Signing Day...
 
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Ugly side of recruits? early committing can be fixed

By Brad Senkiw
Published Monday, August 22, 2011


D.W. Daniel football coach Randy Robinson won?t be rolling out the welcome mat for Kentucky coach Joker Phillips anytime soon.
?Joker Phillips is a liar. (UK area recruiter and coach) Tee Martin lied also,? Robinson said earlier this month. ?You can?t trust them. He better not show up at this school to recruit any of my players or else he?ll be escorted off the premise.?
Robinson?s outrage comes from a 2010 incident.
Former Daniel player Antonio Cannon committed to play for the Wildcats as a junior in May of 2010. UK pulled his scholarship offer in December, forcing Cannon to scurry to East Carolina and Robinson to build his disdain for the SEC program.
?Look at it from my side. I?ve got a kid who was offered a full scholarship to go to school,? said Robinson, who never heard from UK coaches about the situation. ?Him and his mother prayed about it and made a decision. And then, out of the blue, he has to find another place to go.
?That?s pretty sorry.?
The Wildcats? coaches were more than happy to take Cannon?s word in May, but six months later spots were filling up and they needed space for other recruits.
Welcome to the ugly side of early committing.


Cont...
 
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Not sure if this is the right place for this, but I'm letting it loose here anyways.

Fickell and staff-- I love the scUM's coaching staff going back to their old, smug ways with regards to The Rivalry and The Game. I'm particularly fond of his calling Ohio State "Ohio", because seriously, when they are at war with us, they are with war with the whole state. I'd use Hoke's use of "Ohio" as a recruiting tactic. Are you with Ohio or against Ohio? Without us, they are nothing. Hoke says he wants you, but in reality, he's against all of us here in Ohio. Use his words against him. Come home and play for us. Drive that point home with 'em, Fick.

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Can't miss? Yes, they can

Written by Duane Long | 27 September 2011

Can't miss recruits. That is what everyone wants. That is what all this fuss is about. They are the rarest of the rare. The players that you don't even think about not panning out. Orlando Pace, Korey Stringer, Ted Ginn jr, Andy Katzenmoyer, Chris Wells, Terrelle Pryor, the list goes on and on at a school like Ohio State.

The fact is, some can't miss players do just that. They miss. I was looking at the 2007 top 25 of one of the national sites. That class is now through with their eligibility. 10 of the players on that top 25 were never heard from again. What got me thinking about this was the recent verbal by can't miss prospect Chris Wormley to Michigan. I looked at the stacked list of elite defensive linemen in Ohio for 2012 and it took my back to can't miss Buckeye recruits in the past.

My list does not include players whose lack of development had everything to do with the fact that injury kept them out of the weightroom and off the practice field like with Mike Dandrea, Robert Rose and a handful of others. It does not include the lengthy list of players like Brandon Maupin, Che Bryant, Roedell Dupree, Curtis Crosby and Alphonso Townsend who did not make it academically. It does not include players like Marco Cooper and Ira Guilford who were kicked off the team and out of school for bad behavior. It is a list of great high school prospects that for some reason never found their game at the college level.

8 - Jason Ott, LB, Class of 1997
Remember all the fuss about Andy Katzenmoyer? There was almost as fuss about Jason Ott. He was a Buckeye all the way so the hype was not so much as with Katzenmoyer but the expectations were just short of what we saw with Katzenmoyer. Ott was a classic tweener. He was not fast enough to play his most natural position which was middle linebacker but never grew into a defensive end.

7 - Jamario O'Neal, S, Class of 2005
One of the most hyped defensive backs in years. Jim Tressel offered him a scholarship as a sophmore, an unheard of point in a players development at that time. O'Neal possessed a size to speed ratio that had everyone believing he was sure to be a star. Depth charts were popping up with O'Neal as a true freshman starter. That he was only a starter for a handful of games in his career and never had any impact at Ohio State despite not having much of an injury history is one of the all-time puzzlers.

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Free Scout - Why graduate high school early?

By Chad Simmons
National Recruiting Analyst
Posted Dec 20, 2011

Matthew Stafford decided he wanted to get to Athens early in 2006 and he went on to start at quarterback as a true freshman before being selected first in the 2009 NFL Draft. More kids see that success and want to get a head start.

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