General Recruiting Discussion and Tangents (Merged)

[Chewbacca]

This may be off the beaten path a little but i was wondering has Ohio State ever recruited a 5 or 4 star recruit that did not pan out as good as they had hoped. I can't think of any one player off the top of my head. Maybe that never happened at Ohio State.

Jamario O'Neal didn't have the career most expected. Justin Zwick didn't light it up. Rob Rose never really reached his full potential in Columbus. Just to name a few.

Probably not the best place for this discussion. For the sake of getting back on topic....Vannett is a nice looking prospect.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

This may be off the beaten path a little but i was wondering has Ohio State ever recruited a 5 or 4 star recruit that did not pan out as good as they had hoped. I can't think of any one player off the top of my head. Maybe that never happened at Ohio State.

This is defiantly for another thread, but I could name quite a few just off the top of my head...

Eugene Clifford, Derek Morris, Jamario O'Neal, Mike Adams (still TBD), Louis Irizzary, Darieus Hiley, kyle Mitchum, Albert Dukes, Connor Smith, Rob Rose...

These were all guys that were looked as 5 stars, or high 4, just since Tress has been her, that have not panned out, the way they had hoped...And the list is probably 20 or more, just since Tress has been here...

 

[jlb1705]

Texas feels targeted with new NCAA recruiting rule - NCAA Football - SI.com

Texas upset with new recruiting rule


AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds says the Longhorns football program was 'singled out' by a new NCAA rule that drastically limits recruiting by defensive coordinator Will Muschamp, the Longhorns' head-coach-in-waiting.
The rule states assistants "publicly designated" to be the next head coach are now bound by the same recruiting rules as the current head coach. That means Muschamp can make only one off-campus visit with a prospect and it can't be during the critical spring evaluation period of April 15-May 31. Other assistants can have multiple off-campus visits.

 

[sepia5]

Texas feels targeted with new NCAA recruiting rule - NCAA Football - SI.com

I can see why they may be upset, but let me get this straight, Texas. You think it is fair to send out a guy that's going to be the head coach as often as you like, so that that "coach in waiting" can sell recruits hard on the benefits of playing 2, 3, or 4 years for him, as opposed to the current head coach?

Very simple solution. Publically state Muschamp is not guaranteed the head coaching job in the future. IMO, you shouldn't get the recruiting benefits of such public declarations without also accepting the burdens.

 

[Taosman]

On another note: Have we passed the "desperate" stage in recruiting for the tight end position, yet? We need some sort of solution. You wouldn't need ideal pass catching and size, but you gain kids who have the desire to compete. You don't need 5 star kids at the position, just tough guys with a little athletic ability. Adam Homan/Boren type guys. Homan is listed at 6' 4 235 which sounds like a very good place to start.

 

[osugrad21]

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At this high school, 'decommiting' is not acceptable

By Ray Melick -- The Birmingham News

February 11, 2010, 6:05AM


There is no point in expecting college coaches to be able to teach high school prospects the meaning of the word "commitment," not when virtually every head coach out there has, somewhere along the way, left one job for another because he believed he had found a better opportunity.
At Mobile's Davidson High, coaches try to make being 'commited' mean something. You and I may understand coaches looking out for their family and career. But for the players, players they convince to "commit" to them only to leave to coach someone else, the distinction might be a little more difficult to grasp.
Explaining why it is OK for adults to change their minds but it isn't OK for kids to change their minds is one of those pesky questions the NCAA and job-hopping head coaches do their best to avoid.
Fred Riley, head football coach at Mobile's Davidson High School, doesn't worry much about such rationalizations. He simply wants his players to learn the meaning of concepts such as "commitment." And in six years, Riley said, "We've had over 40 kids sign and only had two cases where a kid de-committed."
Riley tries to make recruiting at Davidson as streamlined as possible for both the recruits and the recruiters. The process begins in the ninth grade and doesn't stop until signing day, with the school staff involved every step of the way.

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[wadc45]

BN $ - Great Debate: 'Machine Gun' Or 'Sniper' Recruiting?

By Bucknuts News Staff
[email protected]
Posted Feb 11, 2010

Ohio State has been more selective under Jim Tressel when it comes to football recruiting than it was under John Cooper. Is that the best approach? Dave Biddle and Steve Helwagen take sides in the argument in this version of The Great Debate.

 

[NFBuck]

This may be off the beaten path a little but i was wondering has Ohio State ever recruited a 5 or 4 star recruit that did not pan out as good as they had hoped. I can't think of any one player off the top of my head. Maybe that never happened at Ohio State.

Seriously?

 

[808 Buck]

Most mentioned topics by head coaches

1. Speed

2. Importance of defensive line recruits

3. Recruiting in-state

4. Importance of getting recruits to visit campus early in the process

5. Lack of credibility with recruiting rankings

6. Importance of offensive line recruits

7. Need for "space players"

8. Importance of leaving a scholarship open / possibly awarding a walk-on

9. Importance of players that are "right for us"

10. Development of these recruits is so important

Found this on Football Scoop (Coaches Recap part 2). They took a look at what aspects of recruiting were mentioned by the greatest number of coaches during their signing day news conferences.

 

[Muck]

This may be off the beaten path a little but i was wondering has Ohio State ever recruited a 5 or 4 star recruit that did not pan out as good as they had hoped. I can't think of any one player off the top of my head. Maybe that never happened at Ohio State.

There was a RB back in 2002. Can't recall his name.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

There was a RB back in 2002. Can't recall his name.

Mike D'Andrea? Oh, wait.. he was a LB... maybe you mean Stan White, Jr. No... dagnabit, he was a LB/TE..

It wasn't Lydell Ross was it?

 

[Muck]

Slightly off topic but anytime mention of that class comes up I always think of big Dru and what might have been. :(

 

[Taosman]

Slightly off topic but anytime mention of that class comes up I always think of big Dru and what might have been. :(

But would we have gotten both Dru and Clarett in the same class? There is some doubt to that as both wanted to be running backs as I recall.

 

[Muck]

But would we have gotten both Dru and Clarett in the same class?

The Buckeyes already HAD both of them in the same class before Drushawn's tragic death. They were both verbally committed & were well aware of one another.

 

[wadc45]

How economic downturn has affected Rust Belt states and college football recruiting - ESPN

Originally Published: May 26, 2010
By Ivan Maisel
ESPN.com
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When Big Ten Conference commissioner Jim Delany said last week that the economy in the Midwest had forced the league to explore expansion, he spoke aloud what no one in the league has been in a hurry to say.

As important as football has been to the fabric of life in states such as Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan, the sport is not immune to the economic pandemic that has stripped those states of so many well-paid, middle-class jobs over a generation. The term "Rust Belt," coined to describe once-bustling factories that have gone dormant, is some 25 years old. In that same period of time, the power in college football put down roots in the Sun Belt.

Big Ten coaches and players have defended their brand of football time and again from charges that the league is not athletic enough, that the Southeastern Conference or USC or Texas -- or all of the above -- has passed the league by.

That the Big Ten can flex its muscle as a business is a tribute to tradition, to Delany's acumen and to the 4.4 million living alumni from the league's 11 schools. However, if the loss of jobs and population have affected the conference at the business table, it's worth a fresh look to see the effects the economic downturn has had on the field.

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