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General Recruiting Discussion and Tangents (Merged)

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Noticing that almost the entire Big Ten is down this year in recruiting possibly due to small class sizes, but it also seems a lack of quality players. Obviously Penn State will be down. Typically we can expect Michigan State, Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois or Wisconsin to be at or close to the top-30 recruiting classes.

I don't pay much attention to other programs, but are they having a difficult 2012 class, are they still waiting on commitments, or are all of their '12 classes just small in general?
 
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Diego-Bucks;2093229; said:
Noticing that almost the entire Big Ten is down this year in recruiting possibly due to small class sizes, but it also seems a lack of quality players. Obviously Penn State will be down. Typically we can expect Michigan State, Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois or Wisconsin to be at or close to the top-30 recruiting classes.

I don't pay much attention to other programs, but are they having a difficult 2012 class, are they still waiting on commitments, or are all of their '12 classes just small in general?
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Could be a matter of the B1G-2 and the little 8... errrrrr... 9.... damnit... 10 again. We'll see how long the fairytale in A2 lasts... It could very well become the B1G-1 and the... well, you know.
 
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sparcboxbuck said:
Could be a matter of the B1G-2 and the little 8... errrrrr... 9.... damnit... 10 again. We'll see how long the fairytale in A2 lasts... It could very well become the B1G-1 and the... well, you know.
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Well, I thought about that, but there are plenty of recruits in Big Ten country to go to a few programs. Especially with Penn State down. Most, or all, of the high end talent in the region have gone to Ohio State and Michigan, I'm just surprised that others haven't been able to take advantage.

I mean, Wisconsin goes to back to back Rose Bowls but still doesn't see a recruiting bump to get anyone to go to Wisconsin.
 
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Diego-Bucks;2093240; said:
Well, I thought about that, but there are plenty of recruits in Big Ten country to go to a few programs. Especially with Penn State down. Most, or all, of the high end talent in the region have gone to Ohio State and Michigan, I'm just surprised that others haven't been able to take advantage.

I mean, Wisconsin goes to back to back Rose Bowls but still doesn't see a recruiting bump to get anyone to go to Wisconsin.
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I think it all goes back to coaching. If the rest of the Big Ten doesn't make the investment in coaching that Ohio State and Michigan (Mattison, not Hoke) have then they will be left in the dust on the field and on the recruiting trail.
 
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Hoke's arrival cutoff Dantonio's dominance with premiere MI recruits. He grabbed Burbridge but in the past 4 years he signed the majority of the Ross, Richardson types, see Bullough, Norman, Gholston, Thomas, etc.

Wisconsin's class is actually a LOT better than normal, 7 **** recruits, compared to 1 each in the '10 & '11 classes.

The rest of the B1G looks about the same. Iowa's class is almost identical to their '11 class, they just have 7 fewer players.

Nebraska certainly took a big step back from their '11 class, but their '10 class had 0 ***** 6 **** & 16 ***/**. Their '09 class was even worse with 2 **** 17 ***.

There is rarely much talent on (recruiting site) paper in the rest of the B1G, beyond the Big 2. Even PSU tends to go 2-3 years without quality classes, then signs a top one in the 4th year.
 
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Buckeye86 said:
I think it all goes back to coaching. If the rest of the Big Ten doesn't make the investment in coaching that Ohio State and Michigan (Mattison, not Hoke) have then they will be left in the dust on the field and on the recruiting trail.
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In my imo, I feel that the Big Ten has a group of pretty excellent coaches at the moment. I'm just not sure they have proven themselves well enough yet or not. But to me, the group of Meyer, Dantonio, Pelini, Fitzgerald, Bielema, Ferentz and Hoke are a pretty talented bunch. I think Wilson, Beckman and Kill will be solid hires as well.

I think one of the issues is that hardly any of the Big Ten programs sit on a recruiting hotbed except for Ohio State, Penn State and Illinois/Northwestern.
 
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jwinslow;2093245; said:
Hoke's arrival cutoff Dantonio's dominance with premiere MI recruits. He grabbed Burbridge but in the past 4 years he signed the majority of the Ross, Richardson types, see Bullough, Norman, Gholston, Thomas, etc.

Wisconsin's class is actually a LOT better than normal, 7 **** recruits, compared to 1 each in the '10 & '11 classes.

The rest of the B1G looks about the same. Iowa's class is almost identical to their '11 class, they just have 7 fewer players.

There is rarely much talent on (recruiting site) paper in the rest of the B1G. Even PSU tends to go 2-3 years without quality classes, then signs a top one in the 4th year.
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I definitely agree with the bold. I don't expect to see the Big Ten in the top-10 or even much in the top-25. Mostly, I attribute it to the numbers. Rarely do Big Ten programs sign more than 22 recruits or so when compared with the SEC West and a lot of the Big-12 programs that do.

That being said, I usually see those schools with a full class, and only Purdue seems to have one going. I was curious if there was a reason for the small class sizes.
 
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Diego-Bucks;2093247; said:
... the group of Meyer, Dantonio, Pelini, Fitzgerald, Bielema, Ferentz and Hoke are a pretty talented bunch. I think Wilson, Beckman and Kill will be solid hires as well.
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I think Wilson will prove to be a disaster. We'll see how that all works out.

Kill might have been a good hire if all were well with him. Sadly, his health issues seem to be taking front and center with him.

Finally, Kevin O'Keefe over there in the Pennsylvania wilderness seems like ... well, I'm not quite sure.
 
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Diego-Bucks;2093247; said:
In my imo, I feel that the Big Ten has a group of pretty excellent coaches at the moment. I'm just not sure they have proven themselves well enough yet or not. But to me, the group of Meyer, Dantonio, Pelini, Fitzgerald, Bielema, Ferentz and Hoke are a pretty talented bunch. I think Wilson, Beckman and Kill will be solid hires as well.

I think one of the issues is that hardly any of the Big Ten programs sit on a recruiting hotbed except for Ohio State, Penn State and Illinois/Northwestern.
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I think it is about more than head coaches, though. Look at the assistant coaches and how much money the schools are willing to spend to hire a quality staff.
 
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Buckeye86;2093270; said:
I think it is about more than head coaches, though. Look at the assistant coaches and how much money the schools are willing to spend to hire a quality staff.
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Just look at Cal and ND. I was walking down the street the other day (in SB) and some guy says, " You guys are Dicks". I had no idea who he was talking to..until I realized it was me in my Buckeye winter wear..lol. I'm so loving it here right now. I imagine the only place you could have more fun in a "rival" town would be HV..but who would want to live there?
 
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Buckeye86;2093270; said:
I think it is about more than head coaches, though. Look at the assistant coaches and how much money the schools are willing to spend to hire a quality staff.
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Agreed, look at all of the coaching defections at Bucky. While we can chalk some/a lot of that up to Bulemia being a douche, some has to be coaching compensation being better elsewhere. scUM and tOSU are paying more for their assistants, if the rest of the BIG want to be more competitive in the future, they'll have to follow suit in my IMO.
 
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GrizzlyBuck said:
Agreed, look at all of the coaching defections at Bucky. While we can chalk some/a lot of that up to Bulemia being a douche, some has to be coaching compensation being better elsewhere. scUM and tOSU are paying more for their assistants, if the rest of the BIG want to be more competitive in the future, they'll have to follow suit in my IMO.
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I just don't get why, when the programs bring in so much revenue from the Big Ten contracts, that they don't compensate the assistants more. Seems like it ought to be in the budget... Of course, a lot of these schools have different priorities or other athletes to account for, but it is still surprising that they don't do better. I mean, I look at Minnesota and they make a lot of money off of the football program and TV revenue, and still won't do much to put that back into the program.
 
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Diego-Bucks;2093383; said:
I mean, I look at Minnesota and they make a lot of money off of the football program and TV revenue, and still won't do much to put that back into the program.
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Agreed, the Gophers just built that new stadium, so they are serious in some ways, but it just seems that some in the BIG just aren't all in :biggrin: While the SEC is successful for many reasons, one of them is that the assistant coaches are quality, and well compensated, so seldom do they make a lateral move, it takes a big raise, or a promotion to get them to move.
 
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