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jwinslow;2057755; said:
The part you quoted was followed immediately with:
If someone can convince themselves that speed had anything at all to do with TCU's victory over the stinkin' Badgers; then it should be no suprise that they see reasons to be pessimistic this year.
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youra6;2057795; said:
It had a lot more to do with thick headed coaching than thick ankled players.
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youra6;2057795; said:
I think it had more to do with the fact that they thought they should run the air raid offense instead of doing what got them there. By the time they started to run effectively it was too late.
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1. Dalton was a better QB than most in the Big 10.
2. TCU got on top early, their receivers were often wide open -- speed, fear of speed? Your call.
3. It wasn't until late in the game that the Badger's defense started getting pressure on the QB.
4. For whatever reason the Badgers did seem to go away from their normal offense in the middle of the game. Could that be because a quicker TCU defense was disrupting their normal scheme?
5. If you don't like the use of speed -- which is something Wisconsin is historically short on -- how about just asking, if they couldn't handle TCU last year, how are they going to handle Oregon?
6. One aspect might be that Wilson is a much better QB than they've ever had before -- Oregon splits on that issue, beating Luck and getting beat by Barkley.
7. I don't see the Spartan DBs, who had trouble covering Abederis and Toon, doing any better against Georgia's receivers.
8. Do you like Michigan's defense against Va Tech's offense? Maybe they can outscore the Hokies, but who here didn't think the Bucks had the game under control with the ball on the 20 and 1:39 on the clock?
9. Then there's the issue of playing Florida -- a pissed off Florida -- in Florida. I don't like the way the two match up: one can't score, the other can't defend. There have been times this season when the bucks were on the opposite side of that equation -- Michigan State, Purdue, Penn State, Michigan, hell, even Indiana. My guess is that by the end of the first seven games the defense was worn out, and by the end of the season they were playing 3s and 4s in critical parts of the defense. -- If they hadn't put up 34 against Michigan their end of the year stats would look even worse. My hope is that Posey will have enough time to work with Brax so that they connect on the deep throws. If that happens it will be a game.
2. TCU got on top early, their receivers were often wide open -- speed, fear of speed? Your call.
3. It wasn't until late in the game that the Badger's defense started getting pressure on the QB.
4. For whatever reason the Badgers did seem to go away from their normal offense in the middle of the game. Could that be because a quicker TCU defense was disrupting their normal scheme?
5. If you don't like the use of speed -- which is something Wisconsin is historically short on -- how about just asking, if they couldn't handle TCU last year, how are they going to handle Oregon?
6. One aspect might be that Wilson is a much better QB than they've ever had before -- Oregon splits on that issue, beating Luck and getting beat by Barkley.
7. I don't see the Spartan DBs, who had trouble covering Abederis and Toon, doing any better against Georgia's receivers.
8. Do you like Michigan's defense against Va Tech's offense? Maybe they can outscore the Hokies, but who here didn't think the Bucks had the game under control with the ball on the 20 and 1:39 on the clock?
9. Then there's the issue of playing Florida -- a pissed off Florida -- in Florida. I don't like the way the two match up: one can't score, the other can't defend. There have been times this season when the bucks were on the opposite side of that equation -- Michigan State, Purdue, Penn State, Michigan, hell, even Indiana. My guess is that by the end of the first seven games the defense was worn out, and by the end of the season they were playing 3s and 4s in critical parts of the defense. -- If they hadn't put up 34 against Michigan their end of the year stats would look even worse. My hope is that Posey will have enough time to work with Brax so that they connect on the deep throws. If that happens it will be a game.
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My early gut feelings on the B1G Bowl Games:
Wisconsin 20 - Oregon 34
Michigan 24 - Virginia Tech 31
Michigan St 17 - Georgia 27
Nebraska 20 - South Carolina 17
Penn State 21 - Houston 34
Illinois 24 - UCLA 17
Northwestern 31 - Texas A&M 34
Oklahoma 34 - Iowa 17
Purdue 27 - WMU 14
And the grandaddy of them all:
Ohio State 24 - Florida 20
Sooo...yeah.
Wisconsin 20 - Oregon 34
Michigan 24 - Virginia Tech 31
Michigan St 17 - Georgia 27
Nebraska 20 - South Carolina 17
Penn State 21 - Houston 34
Illinois 24 - UCLA 17
Northwestern 31 - Texas A&M 34
Oklahoma 34 - Iowa 17
Purdue 27 - WMU 14
And the grandaddy of them all:
Ohio State 24 - Florida 20
Sooo...yeah.
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Buckeye513
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Speed has been the crutch people use to explain Big Ten losses to OOC opponents for years, I just didn't think it applied to TCU.
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Jennifer Aniston is very hot. How is either statement relevant to using the tired speed cliche?
They played ten yards off the line all game long.
The badgers defense was very ordinary last year, with a game-changing beast as the exception (JJ Watt). With big cushions, poor tackling & only 1 player to fear upfront, an efficient spread offense can and did avoid pressure easily.
John Clay rarely got the ball until the 4th qtr. When they finally remembered they had a bulldozer to ram through the quick, undersized TCU defense, he ran for 14, 30, 5, 4, 2, 4 & 4 for a TD. When they went away from him in the middle of that drive, Ball ran for 0 & 4 yds.
The drive before that? Clay opened the drive by rushing for 5 yds, then 5 straight passing plays from Tolzien netting them 10 yds & an eventual punt. With 13 min left down 8.
They aren't very good against Big Ten offenses. Being suspect doesn't justify pulling out the Herbie approach with "speed" as the difference maker.
I think they're the 4th best team in the big ten, and would've been 5th if OSU hadn't been decimated by the scandal.
Wisconsin can put major points on Oregon. Whether they call the right plays is another matter.
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youra6;2057795; said:
There's an old saying. You run at speed and away from power. Wisconsin chose to run away from the speed of the TCU defense for large portions of the game. When they ran at the TCU defense they tore it up.
Stupid coaching and play calling lost that game.
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Merih;2057855; said:
I think you're giving Houston too much credit. Southern Miss ran it down their throats and Houston struggled to protect Keenam. I suspect PoSU will be able to exploit both of those areas.
I also think Purdue will have a tougher time with WMU. Don't underestimate the give a shit factor. WMU will likely be far more motivated to play that game than PU.
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