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Cornerback6
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I've actually heard reports that Carp has weighed in around 265, not that it matters. But if you think 20lbs. is going to make that much of a difference, you're crazy. If you saw what Nate Salley did to David Baas in the scUM game last year, then you'd know even a 100 lbs. at times doesn't make a difference. A lot of it has to do with heart & how the player hits. Weight is not everything & I can't wait to see 11 guys pounding on Melton.
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crzykillernut
What is a Buckeye?
"Meet me at the raquetball court in half an hour. If you're not there, it's because you can't take it."--to Schembechler
One of my favorites. Woody truly had the attitude of a winner.
"Success--it's what you do with what you've got."
One of my favorites. Woody truly had the attitude of a winner.
"Success--it's what you do with what you've got."
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Beat me to it.R0CK3TM4NN said:
I was just about to say that Salley blew David Baas the fuck up in the game.
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hornyhoosier
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This is a free country so you're free to do as you wish. Adrian Peterson said he won't do the Horns down because it's "disrespectful." (I gained a lot of respect for him for that) Personally, I'd rather cheer for my team than put down another.
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Hollywood Horn
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I just can't wait for this game...I am supposed to be working but it is all I can think about...is that wrong? 
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First of all, you have no idea if I'm overrating or underrating him, since I haven't rated him.xrayrandy said:
Second, the point was that your delusional fuckstick fans think he is better than Mike Vick. The Mike Vick that was drafted #1 in the NFL draft. If me not saying he is better than Mike Vick means I'm underrating him, then yes I am. I also don't think the 2005 Texas Longhorns aren't better than the 85 Bears. Want to call me on that one too?
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greyscarlet
Heisman
That makes you oh so much better than us. Let's not get sensitive here. As posted above it's all in good fun.
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hornyhoosier said:
You gotta earn respect first. This is C-Bus, not Austin. Come in with the Horns up, you'll get what you ask for. Respect? Keep your horns in your pocket. Hows' that sound? Respect the fact you're on OSU land.
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I know ... I've been logged since, well ... about late July anticipating this game. My companies' productivity will increase by a factor of 100 once this game is finally over.Hollywood Horn said:I just can't wait for this game...I am supposed to be working but it is all I can think about...is that wrong?
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I guess my post about hoping no one got injured in this game was a little misplaced in the middle of a conversation about bone-crushing hits. I guess as long as everyone gets up from them, its all good.:)
Go Bucks !!!
Go Bucks !!!
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Since I couldn't get any work done today I decided to do my official breakdown and predictions for the game Saturday night. I am no football expert but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express. Of course I do have a slight bias but I do try to give a breakdown in my opinion of what will go down and try not to be too overly biased. Just a reminder this is my opinion and just wanted something posted on the record on how I feel the game will go so I can gloat later. 
But I am confident for my team and to be honest this would be totally different if this game was in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:pAustin</ST1:p</st1:City>. But to give some <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas </ST1:p</st1:State>fans hope me thinks you guys will win next year if that is any consolidation. Home field in this type of game is paramount and totally different than a neutral site game.
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Earlier in this thread I did say I was confident in our defense that <st1:State w:st="on">Texas</st1:State> will not score more than 17-24 points and the key will be the <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Ohio</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">State</st1:PlaceType> offense versus the <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State> defense so here we go.
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<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">OHIO</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">STATE</st1:PlaceType> OFFENSE VS <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTEXAS </ST1:p</st1:State>DEFENSE
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Zwick will start in my opinion basically because that is Tressel’s MO with suspended players and also because Zwick showed he can run the offense against <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:pMiami</ST1:p</st1:City>. This can be debated but that is my opinion. Smith will get in, especially if Zwick comes out shaky or the <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State> defensive line puts tons of pressure on him to require a more mobile QB.
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For anyone who watched the <st1:City w:st="on">Miami</st1:City> game that is what you will see against <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:pl</st1:State>, of course with different looks and counters to what you saw, but the philosophy will be the same. I doubt we will see any passes longer than 10 yards to start the game. Tressel will use the short passing game early to determine how well the O-Line is blocking the Texas Defensive line. To be honest the <ST1:p<st1:State w:st="on">Texas</st1:State></ST1:p defensive line scares me, they are good enough to just rush 4 all game to allow for an array of defensive schemes for the secondary to try to neutralize our receivers. I just don’t think the <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas </ST1:p</st1:State>secondary can do this. Of course I can proven wrong as 18-21 year olds play this game and anything can happen.
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In saying that I really think <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State> will put an emphasis on keeping Ginn pinned. But this will play into our plans. I expect Holmes to have a huge game. Zwick seems to be on the same page more with Holmes than Ginn and this will allow Zwick to get into a good rhythm. I see us driving the field rather easily between the 20s.
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The key will be when we get into the redzone. This is where the <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State> strength at defensive line will rear its ugly head. It will be very difficult for us to run once we get to the 20 and I see a lot of our drives stalling there. The evil of having a spread offense, because I don’t see us being able to run our traditional I-Formation against the defensive front 7 of <ST1:p<st1:State w:st="on">Texas</st1:State></ST1:p. I just don’t see our running backs being good enough yet to do that. But hopefully they will surprise me, cuz it will be a route if we can.
This is where when Smith comes in he will help us. He will give us more of an option spread threat with them not being able to key on Pittman in the redzone. Smith will free up Pittman more on spread runs because of the threat of Smith keeping the ball and running by himself. In addition when Smith comes in I see Ginn running different patterns as while Zwick connects with Holmes a lot Smith is more on the same page with Ginn than any other receiver. This is when Ginn will receive his yards and his TD for this game. (It was no coincidence that Ginn got his TD from Boeckman and not Zwick.)
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While Zwick is in our early trips in the redzone will result in more FGs but when Smith comes in those will become TDs. I predict one long TD to Holmes or Gonzalez, 2 closer TDs with Smith in and 3 FGs from our early trips with Zwick.
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Yep, that’s 30 points for the good guys.
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<st1:State w:st="on">TEXAS</st1:State> OFFENSE VS <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pOHIO </st1:State>STATE DEFENSE
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Mack is right in worrying about having freshman running backs for a game like this. Like Melton said he felt like he was still in high school. You want to know why? They were playing Louisiana-Lafayette! One hit from Hawk, Carpenter and company will let them know they aren’t in high school anymore. Add in the crowd and the butterflies of a big game and the <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State>’s rushing game will disappear.
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I am pretty sure our staff has all the copies of the <st1:State w:st="on">Oklahoma</st1:State> games memorized on how to deal with the <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State>offense. We have very similar personal as <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pOklahoma </ST1:p</st1:State>and we use a lot of the same zone blitz principals. This leads to something I have started thinking about; against <st1:City w:st="on">Miami</st1:City> we were using a lot of 3-3-5 looks defending the spread of <ST1:p<st1:City w:st="on">Miami</st1:City></ST1:p. Also a reminder that last year Ohio State did use a few 3-4 looks, I can easily see us going with the 3-4 defense to mix with the 4-3 and 3-3-5 looks and that is the reason we saw Schlegel & Hoobler together on the same line of the depth chart. With this we can blitz off the edge and still spy on Vince Young and try to use that confusion against the very talented Texas Offensive Line.
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In the secondary you will see a lot of zone defenses making sure that if a wide receiver catches the ball he will get punished shortly afterwards. That wears on receivers especially if they are unproven like the <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State> guys are. Add in the atmosphere and magnitude of the game and balls start dropping and the tide starts turning.
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The Texas TE (David Thomas) on the other hand is the only guy they have who will be consistent. It reminds me of the Fiesta Bowl when Kellen Winslow was the only guy on <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:pMiami</st1:City> that can catch a ball. He will be VY’s safety net and bail him out. But unlike <ST1:p<st1:City w:st="on">Miami</st1:City>’s Ken Dorsey who can’t run, VY will try to create more by running rather then just dumping off to his TE. So VY will be the whole offense for <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</st1:State> and Vince Young is still Vince Young. He will try to carry <ST1:p<st1:State w:st="on">Texas</st1:State> and I can see an early TD or two because of that.
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But unlike against <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pMichigan</ST1:p</st1:State> in the Rose Bowl our players can hit and don’t miss many tackles. Along with the zone defense those long runs that energize <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State> will become short runs. We will force <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State> to drive down the field using 12-15 plays which will maximize mistakes in the passing game. Vince Young will get bullied and I am sure <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State> fans will complain about late hits on him. It has become an <ST1:p<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Ohio</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">State</st1:PlaceType></ST1:p trademark that we really rough up the opponents QB by hitting them or knocking them down with borderline hits. In the NFL those draw penalties but in college football they are more lenient and our defense takes advantage of that. (Just warning those <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State> fans) So in the 2<SUP>nd</SUP> half when those hits start adding up Vince Young will start slowing down and become less efficient.
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Also if I were a <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State> fan I will be really worried about your kicking game. If you miss extra points and get kicks blocked by Louisiana-Lafayette, what do you think we will do? In addition we have been use to a bend don’t break defense and tighten up as you get closer to the red zone. This is where your kicking game comes into play and becomes most important. With that I see at least 2 missed/blocked Field Goals and a missed extra point. This will turn momentum and slow down <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas.</st1:State>
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2 TDs from VY creating them and maybe a late TD when the game is in hand, I am also throwing in a missed XP. While the score will be close many in the nation will say that <ST1:p<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Ohio</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">State</st1:PlaceType></ST1:p dominated them, especially on defense.
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I know I didn’t mention the return games. I just don’t see either becoming that important. Texas will sacrifice field position to make sure Ginn/Holmes don’t have a chance to do something and I can’t recall any punt returner being able to do anything against Ohio State. So I don’t think it will be that important to really breakdown and give thoughts on.
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THE <ST1:p<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Ohio</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">State</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType></ST1:p – 30<O:p</O:p
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That's it guys... I am gone. Leaving work and going to start the festivities tonight
so will catch you on the flip side (Sunday night/Monday at work) so will take my lumps then.
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But I am confident for my team and to be honest this would be totally different if this game was in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:pAustin</ST1:p</st1:City>. But to give some <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas </ST1:p</st1:State>fans hope me thinks you guys will win next year if that is any consolidation. Home field in this type of game is paramount and totally different than a neutral site game.
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Earlier in this thread I did say I was confident in our defense that <st1:State w:st="on">Texas</st1:State> will not score more than 17-24 points and the key will be the <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Ohio</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">State</st1:PlaceType> offense versus the <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State> defense so here we go.
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<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">OHIO</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">STATE</st1:PlaceType> OFFENSE VS <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTEXAS </ST1:p</st1:State>DEFENSE
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Zwick will start in my opinion basically because that is Tressel’s MO with suspended players and also because Zwick showed he can run the offense against <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:pMiami</ST1:p</st1:City>. This can be debated but that is my opinion. Smith will get in, especially if Zwick comes out shaky or the <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State> defensive line puts tons of pressure on him to require a more mobile QB.
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For anyone who watched the <st1:City w:st="on">Miami</st1:City> game that is what you will see against <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:pl</st1:State>, of course with different looks and counters to what you saw, but the philosophy will be the same. I doubt we will see any passes longer than 10 yards to start the game. Tressel will use the short passing game early to determine how well the O-Line is blocking the Texas Defensive line. To be honest the <ST1:p<st1:State w:st="on">Texas</st1:State></ST1:p defensive line scares me, they are good enough to just rush 4 all game to allow for an array of defensive schemes for the secondary to try to neutralize our receivers. I just don’t think the <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas </ST1:p</st1:State>secondary can do this. Of course I can proven wrong as 18-21 year olds play this game and anything can happen.
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In saying that I really think <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State> will put an emphasis on keeping Ginn pinned. But this will play into our plans. I expect Holmes to have a huge game. Zwick seems to be on the same page more with Holmes than Ginn and this will allow Zwick to get into a good rhythm. I see us driving the field rather easily between the 20s.
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The key will be when we get into the redzone. This is where the <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State> strength at defensive line will rear its ugly head. It will be very difficult for us to run once we get to the 20 and I see a lot of our drives stalling there. The evil of having a spread offense, because I don’t see us being able to run our traditional I-Formation against the defensive front 7 of <ST1:p<st1:State w:st="on">Texas</st1:State></ST1:p. I just don’t see our running backs being good enough yet to do that. But hopefully they will surprise me, cuz it will be a route if we can.
This is where when Smith comes in he will help us. He will give us more of an option spread threat with them not being able to key on Pittman in the redzone. Smith will free up Pittman more on spread runs because of the threat of Smith keeping the ball and running by himself. In addition when Smith comes in I see Ginn running different patterns as while Zwick connects with Holmes a lot Smith is more on the same page with Ginn than any other receiver. This is when Ginn will receive his yards and his TD for this game. (It was no coincidence that Ginn got his TD from Boeckman and not Zwick.)
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While Zwick is in our early trips in the redzone will result in more FGs but when Smith comes in those will become TDs. I predict one long TD to Holmes or Gonzalez, 2 closer TDs with Smith in and 3 FGs from our early trips with Zwick.
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Yep, that’s 30 points for the good guys.
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<st1:State w:st="on">TEXAS</st1:State> OFFENSE VS <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pOHIO </st1:State>STATE DEFENSE
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Mack is right in worrying about having freshman running backs for a game like this. Like Melton said he felt like he was still in high school. You want to know why? They were playing Louisiana-Lafayette! One hit from Hawk, Carpenter and company will let them know they aren’t in high school anymore. Add in the crowd and the butterflies of a big game and the <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State>’s rushing game will disappear.
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I am pretty sure our staff has all the copies of the <st1:State w:st="on">Oklahoma</st1:State> games memorized on how to deal with the <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State>offense. We have very similar personal as <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pOklahoma </ST1:p</st1:State>and we use a lot of the same zone blitz principals. This leads to something I have started thinking about; against <st1:City w:st="on">Miami</st1:City> we were using a lot of 3-3-5 looks defending the spread of <ST1:p<st1:City w:st="on">Miami</st1:City></ST1:p. Also a reminder that last year Ohio State did use a few 3-4 looks, I can easily see us going with the 3-4 defense to mix with the 4-3 and 3-3-5 looks and that is the reason we saw Schlegel & Hoobler together on the same line of the depth chart. With this we can blitz off the edge and still spy on Vince Young and try to use that confusion against the very talented Texas Offensive Line.
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In the secondary you will see a lot of zone defenses making sure that if a wide receiver catches the ball he will get punished shortly afterwards. That wears on receivers especially if they are unproven like the <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State> guys are. Add in the atmosphere and magnitude of the game and balls start dropping and the tide starts turning.
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The Texas TE (David Thomas) on the other hand is the only guy they have who will be consistent. It reminds me of the Fiesta Bowl when Kellen Winslow was the only guy on <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:pMiami</st1:City> that can catch a ball. He will be VY’s safety net and bail him out. But unlike <ST1:p<st1:City w:st="on">Miami</st1:City>’s Ken Dorsey who can’t run, VY will try to create more by running rather then just dumping off to his TE. So VY will be the whole offense for <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</st1:State> and Vince Young is still Vince Young. He will try to carry <ST1:p<st1:State w:st="on">Texas</st1:State> and I can see an early TD or two because of that.
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But unlike against <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pMichigan</ST1:p</st1:State> in the Rose Bowl our players can hit and don’t miss many tackles. Along with the zone defense those long runs that energize <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State> will become short runs. We will force <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State> to drive down the field using 12-15 plays which will maximize mistakes in the passing game. Vince Young will get bullied and I am sure <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State> fans will complain about late hits on him. It has become an <ST1:p<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Ohio</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">State</st1:PlaceType></ST1:p trademark that we really rough up the opponents QB by hitting them or knocking them down with borderline hits. In the NFL those draw penalties but in college football they are more lenient and our defense takes advantage of that. (Just warning those <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State> fans) So in the 2<SUP>nd</SUP> half when those hits start adding up Vince Young will start slowing down and become less efficient.
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Also if I were a <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas</ST1:p</st1:State> fan I will be really worried about your kicking game. If you miss extra points and get kicks blocked by Louisiana-Lafayette, what do you think we will do? In addition we have been use to a bend don’t break defense and tighten up as you get closer to the red zone. This is where your kicking game comes into play and becomes most important. With that I see at least 2 missed/blocked Field Goals and a missed extra point. This will turn momentum and slow down <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:pTexas.</st1:State>
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2 TDs from VY creating them and maybe a late TD when the game is in hand, I am also throwing in a missed XP. While the score will be close many in the nation will say that <ST1:p<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Ohio</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">State</st1:PlaceType></ST1:p dominated them, especially on defense.
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I know I didn’t mention the return games. I just don’t see either becoming that important. Texas will sacrifice field position to make sure Ginn/Holmes don’t have a chance to do something and I can’t recall any punt returner being able to do anything against Ohio State. So I don’t think it will be that important to really breakdown and give thoughts on.
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THE <ST1:p<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Ohio</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">State</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType></ST1:p – 30<O:p</O:p
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That's it guys... I am gone. Leaving work and going to start the festivities tonight
so will catch you on the flip side (Sunday night/Monday at work) so will take my lumps then. :gobucks3: :gobucks4:
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