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Game Thread Game Two: Texas 25, Ohio State 22 (final)

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yt6 said:
Does it bother anyone else that Zwick can;t throw a spiral. I mean for a drop back passer, you think that he could throw a ball with a tight spiral on it. The majority of his passes look like a bad punt. His touchdown to Holmes was an ugly looking pass. He was effective Saturday. but it concerns me that his passing is not sharp. It results in under thrown balls that get picked off.
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Zwick has more of a tendency to overthrow the ball than to underthrow it. Tossing a little bit of a wobbly spiral has nothing to do with this, and as others noted, is not of major concern as long as the ball is on target. Zwick generally throws a better ball than Krenzel did.
 
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Wow, how the hell did my breif opinion of his performance turn into a cross burning contest with Zwick critiques hanging at the center of the X? Look, folks, you all need to relax a bit. My opinion was not meant at all to be harsh, I just believe he was a bit off considering the gaudy stats. I'm not calling for his head here, I'm only saying that he doesn't have command of the offense like a QB with that receiving corps should. If you have the game, look at his play. One play in particular stands out in my mind outside of the TG slant that was almost picked off. Pittman took off out to the right as Zwick took the snap. A Miami defender came up to cover Pittman, like any CB would do in Cover 2. Zwick went to throw the ball and actually (miraculously and quite athletically) held on to the ball while his arm was moving forward. As he brought it down, he didn't even look down field- he just gave up on the play. Almost every time I watched him drop back, he zoned in on option 1 and fired the ball to them. Holmes, Gonzales, Ginn are going to get open. Especially against MU. Maybe that's all he had to do. However, TO ME, it seemed like if that #1 was covered he hardly knew what to do. Anyway, I didn't know that people would get so pissed off, calling people names because we had an opinion. Pretty immature to me. This will probably be the last time I say anything about tOSU football team, looks like expressing conversation is a death wish. Oh, and I thought Ginn danced too much and tried to make too much happen. :yow1:
Does it really matter what any of us think?
Sue me because I am a realist, buddy. Hammer away.:2004:

Anyway, I still love the Bucks and can't wait for next week, no matter who the fuck is under center.

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Zwick has more of a tendency to overthrow the ball than to underthrow it. Tossing a little bit of a wobbly spiral has nothing to do with this, and as others noted, is not of major concern as long as the ball is on target. Zwick generally throws a better ball than Krenzel did.
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On this point, just a bit of knowledge I'd like to share with you...
when a QB overthrows a ball it is generally nerves- anxiousness. Getting back to the bare mechanics (high ball position, pulling the front arm down, even weight distribution to a forward distribution during the throw, etc.) can really help this and will greatly improve once he stops trying so hard. Hell, I don't blame him for the nerves.
 
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Zwick not reading through progressions was due largely to the fact that 90% of the passes saturday were called throws.

The mechanics issue is minor IMO...the wobbly TD throw was more about touch than mechanics.

Damn, people, this is a decent discussion going. Keep it that way and get some thicker skin...we don't always have to agree and we certainly do not need numerous folks threatening not to post anymore on a topic because someone disagrees with them.

Chill out and discuss with your brain...not your heart.
 
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Mr. Incredible said:
Wow, how the hell did my breif opinion of his performance turn into a cross burning contest with Zwick critiques hanging at the center of the X? Look, folks, you all need to relax a bit...Anyway, I didn't know that people would get so pissed off, calling people names because we had an opinion. Pretty immature to me. This will probably be the last time I say anything about tOSU football team
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I think people are sufficiently at ease here, aside from your conjuring up of lynch mobs and cross-burnings, that is (well, ok, maybe lvbuckeye was a little excited). People are going to disagree with you. No need to over-dramatize it.


Mr. Incredible said:
On this point, just a bit of knowledge I'd like to share with you...
when a QB overthrows a ball it is generally nerves- anxiousness. Getting back to the bare mechanics (high ball position, pulling the front arm down, even weight distribution to a forward distribution during the throw, etc.) can really help this and will greatly improve once he stops trying so hard. Hell, I don't blame him for the nerves.
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Yeah, overthrowing could be due to being a bit over-amped. This of course is a separate point from whether loose spirals have caused Zwick to chronically underthrow, or indeed whether he actually does chronically underthrow.
 
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Zwick hit 6 different receivers, 4 of them had 5 catches apiece and people think he was locking in? Its called reading the defense at the line of scrimmage and making the correct decision on who will be open.
I heard Tressel on call in show and he said Zwick reminds him of Krenzel with his ability to read the defense.
As far as the wobbly pass.....who cares as long as its in the right spot. As it was mentioned, Kosar threw wobbly ones, I watched Omar Jacobs throw a handful of wobbly pass and so did Leinhart. Zwick himself said he tried to throw ball oob on the INT. Just didn't have enough on it. Really his only mistake of the game. Other then that, as Tressel said, he was very effecient.
cbf
 
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gregorylee said:
Dood,

You're sounding like a weasle, it is generally unacceptable around here to count anything over a hundred years ago as relavent. Why don't we just stick with things that at least coencide with bobby socks and shit. Concidering college football didn't really start mattering nationally until the 40's and even then teams were ravaged by the war. Let's call the standard starting point 1950.
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Well since you brought it up...Since 1950 OSU has the 2nd highest win % of any team in college football. A mere .005 % behind OU and .012% ahead of #3 Nebraska. Texas is #7.

We will make up ground on all of them this year.
 
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lvbuckeye said:
i am going to be honest and say that i only read the first sentence...
HE COMPLETED 75% OF HIS PASSES, PEOPLE!!! HOW MUCH SHARPER DO YOU EXPECT HIM TO BE!??!??!?!?!?

if you morons don't start taking your heads out of your asses, and realize that with the exception of ONE play where the O-line got it's signals crossed, JZ did EXACTLY what Tressel asked him, i don't know what i'm going to do...

i swear that you assholes could fuck up a wet dream... we just had a great game, against a good opponent, and all you clowns do is put our team down... i understand that you think that being a fan gives you the right to be critical, but i don't see ANY of you schmucks out there on Saturday... you just sit there in your lazy boy and talk shit...

you fuckers DO realize that players and their families read these boards, right?

fuckin' boo-birds...

Mr Incredible, this rant was not entirely directed at you... don't take it personal...
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Morons, clowns, assholes, schmucks and fuckers; hardly an attempt at an interesting and constructive disagreement.

I do get out there on Saturdays, FYI:
www.columbusblackhawks.com
Unfortunately, it isn't with the Buckeyes.

I don't think the thickness of my skin should be in question. I'm merely discussing something I love to talk about.
 
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i apologize for my rant... it just kind of burns me up when i see people being so critical of JZ... was he perfect? no. but he was pretty damn efficient, as his 73.9% completion percentage shows... i just wish that people would give him the same benefit of the doubt that they give Troy... unfortunately, even though Troy had a completely different situation than JZ when he got his chance, most importantly the emergence of Gonzo and Ginn, people only seem to remember the scUM game, which gets elevated beyone belief, and ignore his other rather shaky performances, and write off whatever JZ did, and degrade an otherwise outstanding effort...

remember, you're never as good as you look in your best win, or as bad as you look in your worst loss...

the thing that i personally find the most ironic about this is that i've been very solidly behind Troy in the past... i think he brings more to the table, and i think he gives us a better chance to be explosive... however, i am not so set in my views that i cannot appreciate what a solid outing JZ had...

in the end, i don't care WHO the starter is, as long as we're hoisting that Crystal Football in Pasedena...
 
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lvbuckeye said:
i apologize for my rant... it just kind of burns me up when i see people being so critical of JZ... was he perfect? no. but he was pretty damn efficient, as his 73.9% completion percentage shows... i just wish that people would give him the same benefit of the doubt that they give Troy... unfortunately, even though Troy had a completely different situation than JZ when he got his chance, most importantly the emergence of Gonzo and Ginn, people only seem to remember the scUM game, which gets elevated beyone belief, and ignore his other rather shaky performances, and write off whatever JZ did, and degrade an otherwise outstanding effort...

remember, you're never as good as you look in your best win, or as bad as you look in your worst loss...

the thing that i personally find the most ironic about this is that i've been very solidly behind Troy in the past... i think he brings more to the table, and i think he gives us a better chance to be explosive... however, i am not so set in my views that i cannot appreciate what a solid outing JZ had...

in the end, i don't care WHO the starter is, as long as we're hoisting that Crystal Football in Pasedena...
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Nice post, I apprecite the comment and I should of handled things differently. I understand where you're coming from and how down Buckeye fans seem to be on JZ at times. I'm actually TB proponent, but I don't think TB should be starting now. I think JZ is a fine starter, and I would be comfortable with TS as well. In fact, I think JZ is a better passer than TS. I don't think JZ had a bad game by any stretch, I just think he looked shaky at times, that's all. Just sparking conversation and I took what was probably a light hearted post in the wrong manner. Communication through writing sucks. F the Horns. :oh: :io:
My bad...:cheers: :drunks:
 
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