Game Thread Game Two: Texas 25, Ohio State 22 (final)

[MililaniBuckeye]

If you are afraid of broken plays then blitzing is not a good idea. Last year most teams would try to contain him in the pocket and make him throw, so the last half of the season our OC had him roll out of the pocket to give him the run/pass option.

It is true that your DEs can play different techniques, but they will still be outmatched by our tackles...

As for RB experience our fourth year junior Selvin Young is more experienced than Pittman and Ramonce is more experienced than your backs who have never played a down of D1 ball,

... I am flattered that someone thinks I am the most obnoxious longhorn poster, but all my posts are based on facts I can support with evidence. I no way intend to be obnoxious only to correct innaccuracies in your lines of thought.

Blitzes do two things: 1) Hurry the QB into throwing before he wants to, or 2) Prevents the throw entirely and forces the QB to run. Blitzes usually don't cause big plays directly up the middle, but rather to the outside (where Hawk and Carpenter are more than capable of reacting and shutting down the play). Even if the play is designed to roll out, our OLBs will be placed out wider than usual to counteract this. Hawk and Carpenter will tackle Young cleanly 4 out of 5 times, and the 1 and 5 non-tackle will be close enough to signifcantly impede Young's advance.

I don't know where you get the idea our DEs will be "outmatched". 2nd-team Big Ten WR Santonio Holmes was supposed to be "outmatched" by consensus All American CB Marlin Jackson in The Game, but Holmes schooled Jackson's ass big time. Just because your OT(s) may be All-American(s) doesn't mean they'll contain the DE rush.

Maurice Clarett had never taken a snap when he ran for 175 yards against Texas Tech. We have two sub-4.3 RBs in RS frosh Eric Haw (210+ pounds) and true frosh Maurice Wells who have yet to see the field, but one of them could be the next Clarett (minus the attitude, hopefully). As far as Selvin Young being more experienced than Antonio Pittman, you're wrong again...they're virtually identical, overall. While Young has played in 11 games in his career, 10 of those were in 2003, a year in which his stats (I knew you'd want this) were less (35-151, 4.3 ypc) than Pittman's this past year (47-253, 5.3 ypc, also in 10 games). Young had a big game against powerhouse North Texas in your opener last year (12-102, 8.5 ypc) in mop-up duty in a 65-0 blowout, but didn't get a single carry after that. So, in reality, Pittman is more recently experienced, which means more.

I wouldn't consider you obnoxious...just way over dependent on stats.

 

[osugrad21]

I think that you seriously underestimate Vince's passing ability. If that is what is available to him I have no doubt he will be successful. I consider this to be fact based on what I have seen from him in practice.

Again more opinion...not fact. It is only fact in your mind based on your opinion...Especially when based on practice.

As for our OTs being better than your DE's I can find dozens of sources to support that.

And again...more opinions. However, I will concede this point to you...assuming that will in turn accept that our LB corp more than makes up for this "mismatch." The DL will never need to dominate...simply take up space and let those LBs fly to the ball.

I freely admit to being a homer, but when one team averages 11 points more than another with a tougher strength of schedule (14 vs. 25), it doesn't take a homer to pick the favorite.

Yet that team lost its leading rusher and best defensive player...while the other returned everyone. Maybe that choice is a little tougher than you realize...especially in the 'Shoe.

You honestly remind me of the NCSU guys...Rivers this, Vince that.

Like a broken record...

 

[BB73]

As far as Selvin Young being more experienced than Antonio Pittman, you're wrong again...they're virtually identical, overall. While Young has played in 11 games in his career, 10 of those were in 2003, a year in which his stats (I knew you'd want this) were less (35-151, 4.3 ypc) than Pittman's this past year (47-253, 5.3 ypc, also in 10 games). Young had a big game against powerhouse North Texas in your opener last year (12-102, 8.5 ypc) in mop-up duty in a 65-0 blowout, but didn't get a single carry after that. So, in reality, Pittman is more recently experienced, which means more.

I wouldn't consider you obnoxious...just way over dependent on stats.

Let me see. Young's 35-151 in 2003, plus 12-102 in 2004 totals 47-253, which exactly matches what Pittman did last year.

It has thus been statistically proven that they are equal.

 

[xrayrandy]

"Hawk and Carpenter will tackle Young cleanly 4 out of 5 times"

Derrick Johnson said he could only tackle him 4 times in 10. That should be an optimistic goal for your linebackers. The question is how bad does it get the other 6 or 7 times.

I am impressed that you actually looked up Selvins stats. I was fully aware they were close in carries and yardage, the difference is in one being in around one year while the other has three years with the team. And, you still don't have any RB to match up against Taylor's experience.

I think I'm entitled to promote Vince a little after all he accounted for more running and passing TDs than your entire offense last year. The margin will likely be greater this year.

 

[osugrad21]

I think I'm entitled to promote Vince a little after all he accounted for more running and passing TDs than your entire offense last year. The margin will likely be greater this year.

Just as we are entitled to promote a number of players with more BCS and big game experience....that margin will likely grow this year as well.

 

[jwinslow]

xray, is there ANY chance in the world you can make a post where you don't bring up statistics? too bad your experience with statistics didn't teach you that it hurts your argument to repeat yourself like a child.

I've got a ton of respect for most texas fans, and ZERO for you. We have plenty like you on our scout boards, which is what drove me to this site in the first place (to get away from them)

Please look up Mack Brown's record against the top-10 vs. Jim Tressel's record against the top-10 and get back to me.

 

[xrayrandy]

" Please look up Mack Brown's record against the top-10 vs. Jim Tressel's record against the top-10 and get back to me."

What does that have to do with how our two teams matchup? I'll tell you, nothing whatsoever.

And, talk about repetition, please..

 

[LightningRod]

Hawk and Carpenter did not do too shabby in the 2004 Fiesta Bowl tackling Sproles and Roberson. It's not like the Buckeye defense has not seen the athletic QB before. And for those preaching about McNair working with Young this offseason, Tressel defended McNair pretty damn good as well in a 1-AA playoff game.

 

[osugrad21]

" Please look up Mack Brown's record against the top-10 vs. Jim Tressel's record against the top-10 and get back to me."

What does that have to do with how our two teams matchup? I'll tell you, nothing whatsoever.

Well if it has nothing to do with anything, Texas would have whipped the hell out of Oklahoma for years now.

Give me a few minutes and I can have one of our photoshop guys whip you up a "On Paper National Championship" medal.

Fact: Jim Tressel is a big game coach.

Fact: Mack Brown is not.

Please do not make yourself look foolish by arguing that point.

 

[jwinslow]

Your coach having serious trouble against top-10 teams and ours having an outstanding record has nothing to do with this game? That has to be your most unbelievable post of all of them...

As for repetition, the burden is not upon us to prove that OSU is a good team... this is our board. You've told us all sorts of things that are "facts" in your own mind despite them being opinions, and then decided to repeat them over and over again.

We don't mind statistics. We can even have a heated argument over our two teams. But when you cling to statistics in absolutely every facet of your conversation, and then turn around and think the loss of Benson/Johnson & unproven players at RB/WR will not hurt, you defeat your own argument.

There is a world outside of statistics, and there is such a thing as someone stepping up, even when on paper the other team has no chance.

You're unbelievably infatuated with your UT offense (which is VY & Thomas with a bunch of inexperienced folks), to the point of claiming it will be the best offense we'll see (you're right, defenses didn't focus on Benson or anything last year, his loss is insignificant) since Miami, that's why many of us have no respect for your posts.

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This may be outside of your realm of thinking, but why did Michigan pass all over you? I don't give a crap if they were on the 50 every time (talk about retarded coaching, how many times does it take before you put better KR coverage guys out there).... There is no excuse for letting them walk all over you through the air, unless you aren't this stout secondary like you've suggested.

Hawk and Carpenter did not do too shabby in the 2004 Fiesta Bowl tackling Sproles and Roberson. It's not like the Buckeye defense has not seen the athletic QB before. And for those preaching about McNair working with Young this offseason, Tressel defended McNair pretty damn good as well in a 1-AA playoff game.

Brilliant tidbit! I did not know this... not as tho his big game coaching has not been extremely apparent, including against teams with far more talent on paper.

 

[LightningRod]

In a first round game in the 1994 1-AA playoffs, McNair threw over 80 passes against YSU. YSU played the same type of defense we have all become accustomed to - let the D dink and dunk down the field, and tighten up near the red zone. YSU picked McNair 5 or 6 times that day. The score was 63 to 20.

 

[jwinslow]

You should feel special enough soon... I've made you a medal:

 

[osugrad21]

and it has been pinned on his vLapel

 

[Pheasant]

....It is an inescapable truth that past performance is the best predictor of future performance. It is the person who ignores typical past performances or worse uses a single exceptional case to prove their point who will likely be wrong.

" Please look up Mack Brown's record against the top-10 vs. Jim Tressel's record against the top-10 and get back to me."

What does that have to do with how our two teams matchup? I'll tell you, nothing whatsoever.

And, talk about repetition, please..
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umm.....words, words, words
Have some red ones, moron.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

In a first round game in the 1994 1-AA playoffs, McNair threw over 80 passes against YSU. YSU played the same type of defense we have all become accustomed to - let the D dink and dunk down the field, and tighten up near the red zone. YSU picked McNair 5 or 6 times that day. The score was 63 to 20.

IIRC, Youngstown took four of those back for TDs.

Derrick Johnson said he could only tackle him 4 times in 10. That should be an optimistic goal for your linebackers. The question is how bad does it get the other 6 or 7 times.

Well, then, it looks like Derrick was somewhat over-rated, huh? I've seen every OSU game since 2002, and thus have seen every game that both Hawk and Carpenter have played, and have yet to see either one of them ever miss a tackle in space...ever. And before you chime in with your obligatory, "They've never seen a QB like Young", they have: Kent State's Joshua Cribbs and Kansas State's El Roberson.