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Game Thread Game Two: Texas 25, Ohio State 22 (final)

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And you keep on confusing punt returns and kick returns. They are two different animals. You averaged 20.5 yards per kick return, so I don't see why you think your guys are such hot stuff in that discipline. Punt coverage was not a problem for us.

If you actually watch Breaston's returns from the Rose Bowl, he doesn't do anything special, just runs straight ahead fast. There are no cuts, moves or broken tackles. The key was great blocking and our failure to close off the running lane. Having a great kick returner is not the issue it depends on your blocking.
 
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xrayrandy said:
And you keep on confusing punt returns and kick returns. They are two different animals. You averaged 20.5 yards per kick return, so I don't see why you think your guys are such hot stuff in that discipline. Punt coverage was not a problem for us.

If you actually watch Breaston's returns from the Rose Bowl, he doesn't do anything special, just runs straight ahead fast. There are no cuts, moves or broken tackles. The key was great blocking and our failure to close off the running lane. Having a great kick returner is not the issue it depends on your blocking.
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We averaged 23.71 yard per KO return, not 20.5, which was 11th in the country (whereas Michigan was less than a yard per return better), and we did that with a gimpy-kneed senior RB returning kickoffs all year. This year we'll have Ginn and Holmes...huge, huge difference. And, yet again, your reply proves my point. Texas fans have said your special teams weren't all that bad, yet Breaston was able to rip off long returns simply by running straight ahead, with no cuts, moves, or broken tackles. To me, that is the very definition of poor special teams.

While blocking is vital in returns, having a returner with great moves and warp factor 10 speed like Ginn improves the effect of the blocking scheme exponentially. If Texas' special teams plays like they did against Michigan, ya'll better hold your breath every time Ginn or Holmes gets the ball.
 
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And Lonesome, I took statistics over 20 years ago and have been using them practically every day of my life even before then. It is an inescapable truth that past performance is the best predictor of future performance. It is the person who ignores typical past performances or worse uses a single exceptional case to prove their point who will likely be wrong.
 
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hookemhorns2004 said:
Please, what you did 15 years ago has no bearing on what happens in 2 months. Different players, times, coaches, etc. Maybe if you have had the same coach over the last 15 years, you have grounds for an argument, but there is nothing a decade ago that is the same now.
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Same 'Shoe. :biggrin: Fan base hasn't changed much...
 
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Sorry I was in a hurry and read off your opponents average. Doesn't matter though 10 or 15 yards one way or the other won't affect the outcome.
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I beg to differ. If we get starting field position from near our 40 vice our 25 on a consistent basis, Texas will be in deep kimchi. As you pointed out earlier, field position played a big part in Michigan being able to get four receiving TDs.
 
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xrayrandy said:
And Lonesome, I took statistics over 20 years ago and have been using them practically every day of my life even before then. It is an inescapable truth that past performance is the best predictor of future performance. It is the person who ignores typical past performances or worse uses a single exceptional case to prove their point who will likely be wrong.
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Do me a favor and look up Ohio State's "past performance" against non-conference opponents at home. Hopefully that's a pretty good "predictor of future performance."

Actually, I'll save ya some time. Just follow the link.

http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/OhioState.htm
 
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Night time record at The Shoe (I've found four of the six night games):

Sep 14, 1985 - OSU 10, Pitt 7
Sep 10, 1999 - OSU 42, UCLA 20
Oct 06, 2001 - OSU 38, Northwestern 20
Aug 30, 2003 - OSU 28, Washington 9
 
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That is correct, Ginn4. I don't think there's a stat for that particular situation ( :biggrin: ) but it can't have happened too much. We are very excited about the potential there, but as discussed before about 700 posts ago, we are worried about inexperience.

Thomas, our TE, had 6 last year to lead all receivers.

However, I am confident that the combination of Shipley, Sweed, Cosby, Hardy, Walker, and Jones should do reasonably well. There's too much potential there for everyone to be a dud and not step up.
 
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"Do me a favor and look up Ohio State's "past performance" against non-conference opponents at home. Hopefully that's a pretty good "predictor of future performance.""

That has no relevence to how our two teams match up. Only the 2003 game involved a significant number of players on your current team, the others have no relevence whatsoever.
 
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